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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947

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here are the airport with open arms and

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applying this has been found and is now

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in the possession of the RA we change

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the game changer

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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and kgr a the global rain

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game change in that

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good evening betta black the smoke radio

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for the masses hi you dude today's

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Wednesday April 22nd 2020 113 days into

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only 263 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game-changer network and kera the

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I'm your Jimmy Church what is crack and

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everybody how you doing

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how you doing yeah

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okie-dokie these he's what we're gonna

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tonight wrapping up our big brain week

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here on beta black tonight very special

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guest adam curry adam curry is here

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we're going to talk physics and Kangol

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minh communication is research of course

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universe and beyond that is tonight

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tomorrow night right here on this

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program day tonight open lines all night

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Ronny McMullin gonna join us from life

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change T looking forward to that

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our little monthly sit-down that we do

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with Ronnie and that'll help us kick off

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the show tomorrow night going through

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you guys managed to at the beginning of

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the show and if you haven't caught this

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follow me on twitter @jj radio and for

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everybody out there and i know we've got

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everybody over on talk stream live and

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in YouTube and Facebook and Twitter and

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and tune in and kg RA the planet you

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know all over the place but you know on

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our website or the bunker cam tomorrow

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night oh yes Rita absolutely

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you want me to announce that now or

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should we save that for tomorrow let me

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know Rita I can announce that anytime

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during this show tonight but let me know

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that's a it's going to be awesome

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anyway what oh oh oh so follow me on

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Twitter right and head over you know get

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a split screen oh okay

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all right get a split screen go and get

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Twitter on one side and wherever you're

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listening to put that on another screen

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okay and and come and check out what

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goes on over on Twitter because Twitter

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is amazing and the sandbox which is

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hashtag f2b the sandbox is at the start

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of the show a gif parade and it just

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dancing gifts writers dancers of some

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where do you go to find gifts

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there's got to be some gift portal where

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place where do you you know I need

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dancing gifts for fade to black is that

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what you search because they are amazing

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Fator night it's open lines Ronnie

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McMullin gonna be here and tomorrow

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night we're gonna have a birthday party

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for fate or not oh gee dad Flemming

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so there you go and then so tomorrow

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fleming birthday party you know it's

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fade to black some of the coolest fade

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to black fader not t-shirt pics or from

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Kat Flemming alright so I'll save all of

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that for tomorrow night those birthday

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celebrations follow me on Twitter at Jay

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Church radio and so to undo start off

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to be is the sandbox I just mentioned

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questions and mark Tirana that's a

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dancing gift man all of it all of it

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favorite color the right Racing's try

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that's that's that's beautiful

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okay let's see tomorrow night Ronnie

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McMullin gonna be here we're gonna be

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great show okay and then Friday night

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I'll announce it tomorrow but Friday

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night I'm over at coast to coast am all

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right let's get to the breaking news I

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woke up to this today and so did

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everybody else and I don't know politics

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on the show I don't tweet it don't talk

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about it but sometimes sometimes the

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breaking news is is something you have

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to mention because today President Trump

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said that he has instructed the United

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States Navy to shoot down and destroy

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any irani and boats harassing American

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ships after a tense encounter in the

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Persian Gulf that was reported earlier

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internet swarming little dinky gunboats

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little speedboats zipping around an

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armada of United States Navy ships crazy

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right but they did it and they wouldn't

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stop they did it for about an hour so

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Trump tweeted today I have instructed

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this is a quote I have instructed the

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United States Navy to shoot down in to

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destroy any and all Iranian gunboats

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if they harass our ships at sea

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tweet I'm on Twitter I'm reading the

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tweet and I didn't think it was real I

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that it was his official I thought it

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was a fake account

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I just thought there's just no way now I

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to stop I'm asking the world to do that

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let's just chill out and we've got other

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things that were worrying about right

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now and sure enough this stuff is

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flaring up over in the Mediterranean

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well anyway or the Strait of Hormuz or

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wherever this is going down Persian Gulf

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secret is out Iran has flying boats and

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that is the conspiracy alright moving on

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moving on had to do it I had to do it I

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Netflix announced today it has gained 16

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million new subscribers in the first

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quarter to two kilometer by hrus and

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it's lockdown the production company set

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a record for quarterly gains by making

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an additional fifteen point seven seven

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million paid streaming customers in the

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first quarter of 2020 the question is

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are they gonna stay well we'll find out

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but the company announced that it has

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one hundred and eighty two point nine

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million paid subscribers globally by the

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end of quarter one the company enjoyed a

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compared to last year they were

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expecting a seven million subscriber

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increase and that's what they were

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hoping for well all of that more than

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doubled unbelievable now I thought it

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was going to be higher I did it I

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thought it was gonna be higher is that

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did I make the double peace sign why did

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what was I saying when oh let the memes

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fly that's good that's good who's gonna

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make a meme out of this okay hold on I'm

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gonna retweet this thank you Kevin

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here is your meme bait it's a gift yeah

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let's just go with that all right all

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good grab keV that's a good grab Kenny G

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what's he talking about Jimmy is

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hallucinating again Kenny G all right

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oil prices oil prices appear to have

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when West Texas Intermediate crude oil

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futures sink into negative territory

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some analysts when went up yesterday to

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what nine dollars five dollars a barrel

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pumping gas somewhere in the Midwest I'm

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gallon I I I'm 56 years old and I gotta

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go back i remembered like the earliest

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gas number I remember I think I remember

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29 nine twenty-nine cents a gallon

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briefly 39 but but pretty much 50 cents

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a gallon 49 nine it stayed there for for

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what seemed like forever yeah 42 cents a

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gallon

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well anyway some analysts are now

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warning that prices are going to remain

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under pressure and head back to negative

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as long as supply out faces outpaces

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demand one analyst today his name is

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Paul Sankey managing director of Mizzou

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whose securities predicts are you ready

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West Texas Intermediate crude prices and

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futures could fall to minus

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one hundred dollars per barrel May first

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next month that's right they settled at

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minus thirty seven dollars and 63 cents

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on Monday the first time in history that

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the price closed below zero minus one

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hundred dollars a barrel

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well we'll see if that prediction comes

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true absolutely incredible all right

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today I want to thank Powell Harris I

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was interviewed by her earlier today it

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was great it was fun so much fun to be

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on the other side and and have somebody

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ask the questions it was really really

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cool it was very special and one of the

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things that I do need to mention I've

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been mentioning and mentioning this for

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a couple of weeks and I said it to her

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today that November 5th through the 8th

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her Starworks UFOs and artificial

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intelligence conference that is going on

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in Laughlin Nevada is still on and with

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everything that is happening right now

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this crisis worldwide thing we're all on

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lockdown

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I've got pictures of me out there on the

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road with the face mask yeah gloves yeah

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yeah yeah that's what we're dealing with

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today and by the time this conference

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happens in November we are going to be

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ready our conference is going to be the

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biggest and the best ever go to

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Starworks usa.com for tickets and info

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paul hynek's going to be there James Fox

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is going to be there with his new movie

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the phenomenon Grant Cameron's going to

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be there I'm gonna be there Reed is

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going to be there the fade to black crew

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is going to be there and the entire list

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of speakers both national and

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international are right there Starworks

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usa.com click on the banner said to me

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church radio calm and one last PSA which

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is disclosure fest which is June 20th

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Saturday June 20th here in Los Angeles

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at the historic Los Angeles Park in

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downtown Los Angeles for now the event

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can happen that is according to the

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state and city of California

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the city of Los Angeles and so

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everything is a go disclosure FS org is

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your portal so that the links are over a

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2 meter tornado calm all of the

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information that you need is right there

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disclosure fess dot org let's get the

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show cracking happy birthday to jack

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nicholson today is 83 years old that's

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right

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Jack Nicholson 83 think of Jack

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Nicholson what do you think of Chinatown

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The Shining the Lakers our dead guys

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birthday today is Glen Campbell 1936 to

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2017 died at the age of 81 one of the

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greatest musicians in history he placed

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a total of 80 different songs on either

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the Billboard Country chart the

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Billboard Hot 100 or the adult

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contemporary chart of which 29 of those

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80 made the top 10 and 9 reached number

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one on at least one of those charts

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among Campbell's hits are I did it today

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man I listen to them all gentle on my

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mind by the time I get to Phoenix if

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that don't put a lump in your throat

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right Wichita Lineman Galveston

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Rhinestone Cowboy

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in southern nights man

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happy birthday Glen Campbell I hope

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you're listening all right on this day

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in history oh TD 1970 it went down Earth

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Day an event to increase public

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awareness of the world's environmental

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problems it celebrated in the United

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States for the first time 50 years ago

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today millions of Americans including

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students from thousands of colleges and

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universities they all participated in

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rallies marches and educational programs

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across the country happy Earth Day

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everybody 50 years ago today 1970

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absolutely incredible here is your fader

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fact

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tanda dickerson time to dickerson was a

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Waffle House waitress and she was tipped

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with a lottery ticket from one of her

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customers that came in for breakfast

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that's right

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the next day she won ten million dollars

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she was then sued by her colleagues at

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the Waffle House because it was a tip

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and she was supposed to split it equally

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and then she was sued by the man who

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tipped her the tickets then she was

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kidnapped by her ex-husband and she shot

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him in the chest after all of that was

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over she was then sued by the IRS by the

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way she opted for the 30 year payout

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there you go tada

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Dickerson that's her fader fact tonight

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very special guest Adam Curry he's here

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we're gonna be talking physics all night

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long entanglement communication the

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universe of course extraterrestrial

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intelligence and what they are doing out

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there but the same things that we have

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here tomorrow it's another fate or night

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and it will be a special birthday party

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for og fate or not Kat Fleming all right

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now I got something to say as I sipped

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this River moon coffee mmm that's where

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River moon coffee is the bet this is the

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bet there is something that happens when

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you drink River moon coffee fader knots

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out there listening to me right now who

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are drinking fade to black blend as you

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are listening to me drink this coffee

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pop something up in hashtag f2b tell the

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world JT just said it's as good as it

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gets that's right

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it is I want to see

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in Twitter all right well finally here

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in Burbank the rain has stopped and

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today was the first day that smelled

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like summer and you know the smell

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there's nothing like it smell that sense

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the sense of smell is one of the most

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powerful emotion starters strong strong

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it'll take you wherever you want to go

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and sometimes it's something that you

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cannot control like what I'm about to

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tell you but we'll get to that in a

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second the summer smell is is one of

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those you know at the last day of school

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you walk out when you go to school on

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the last day of school before summer

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vacation the world smells different when

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you're walking in and he got to go you

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got to hang out for an hour you know get

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your last report card and then do

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whatever then you head out you don't

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even visit the cafeteria man they just

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let you go home and you walk outside and

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that smell at that moment is the smell

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of summer and today it arrived here in

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Burbank and it always takes me somewhere

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it takes me back takes me back

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well today it took me back and I don't

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know why and it's something that you

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just can't control because now I'm gonna

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tell you why you shouldn't drink and

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summer 1985 early 85 and I'm with my

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singer in my band his name is Mick and

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I'm driving my Nissan pickup truck about

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have even been a Datsun Nissan Datsun

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the year of the changeover I'm driving

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that 1985 it's blue lowered and we leave

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band practice

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and we're going down we stopped by

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in-and-out burger and we go to in and

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out and we get a couple of triple

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triples orders of fries and I got a

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chocolate shake I don't remember what he

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got to drink but he got something to

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drink in this Nissan pickup truck 1985

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84 85 pickup no cup holders not back

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then no cup holders weren't a thing yet

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so that was always an issue what you did

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with your drinks and in this case

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chocolate shake never drink and drive

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so we right now I'm a 10 freeway and

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we've got things going on we got french

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fries we got burgers we're eating we're

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on the freeway

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I'm the ten and we only had to be there

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for a few exits before we got on the 605

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is exact up to the 2:10 and headed back

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over to Pasadena by the way we were in

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La Puente okay run a ten freeway and I'm

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driving it's a stick I'm driving with my

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chocolate shake on the top of my

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steering wheel right doing 60 miles an

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hour on the freeway steering like this

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and reaching like arranging and driving

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with my shake up here driving on the top

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of the wheel french fries arranging my

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burger he's doing the same thing over

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there and I'm looking up and I'm coming

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back down and he yells look out and I

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look up and at that exact moment a fire

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truck which was pulled over on the side

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of the freeway decides to merge into

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traffic now I didn't see it no no didn't

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see it busy for a couple of reasons one

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my chocolate shake is in front of me on

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top of the wheel that's the first thing

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second thing is I'm arranging my

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double-double and french fries or my

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triple triple down here around the stick

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shift and trying to range that down on

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the seats

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I slam on the brakes and rear-ended a

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fire truck a fire truck that had its

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lights on and no seatbelts those weren't

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on of course we hit the fire truck and

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I'm gonna guess that we were because I

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skidded I locked up the brakes for quite

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a while

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we probably slammed into the back of the

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fire truck doing probably 35 miles an

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hour we come forward hit the dashboard

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my chocolate shake literally which was

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up here covered the entire windshield

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we pull over I don't know how the

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engines running we pull over a fire

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truck they they get out they come back

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and the firemen there were cops behind

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that soda next thing you know we've got

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all these cops there the fire trucks

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everybody's there the they come up and

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they shine the flashlight into the cab

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and take take a look around they look at

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the windshield and the cop turns to me

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and says drinking and driving huh

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I said yes sir chocolate shake in and

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out yeah okay and flipping my license

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the front of my pickup truck I hit the

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triangle portion of the back bumper of

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this fire truck which is like a toad

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thing it was a tall triangle and my the

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front of my bumper went from this to

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this and my headlights were pointed in

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like but they were still working and the

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engine was still running that was the

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incredible thing and I had this perfect

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triangle indentation on the front of my

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perfect pickup truck and I learned my

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lesson I never drink and drive

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anything after that this is fade to

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black I am your host Jimmy Church the

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smells of summer summer is here and the

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smell of summer took me back to that

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story I can't explain it

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that's how powerful the sense of smell

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is tonight Adam Curry is our guest

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I'm your Jimmy Church on the game

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changer networking kgr a the planet

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am your host Jimmy Church tonight Adam

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Curry is with this tomorrow night Bay

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amazing that's absolutely amazing happy

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birthday cap we'll see you tomorrow

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night right here and tonight it's Adam

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Curry and we are going to be discussing

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entanglement and physics in the future

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of communication throughout the universe

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Adam is in an event ER he's a tech

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entrepreneur he is up in well now he's

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in Colorado but formerly of Silicon

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Valley his a background is in

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traditional hardware and software

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startups I might even be incorrect about

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that now I'll find out where Adam

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actually is and but in the scientific

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study of consciousness he has spent over

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ten years in the research community at

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places like Princeton University's pear

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lab and the Institute of noetic sciences

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Adam got a start in tech at 17 when MIT

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named an asteroid after him for

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inventing a new seismology device based

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on electrogravitics he has worked and

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has been featured on through the

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wormhole vice and elsewhere currently is

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the co-founder manager of several

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companies based on the new paradigm

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science including entangled a mobile app

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that explores global consciousness his

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website is entangled dot org I would

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like to welcome back to fade to black

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Adam curry Adam how are you man good and

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great thanks for having me back and I

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appreciate the heavy-metal intro music

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there yeah you know and thank you for

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that I'm gonna ask you

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I'm gonna ask you a question about that

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in just a second and when I actually

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want to start here because I've kind of

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teased you and and giving you a bit of a

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hard time over the years because you're

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you're much smarter than I am and and

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it's part of my defense mechanism to to

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poke fun at that but also you know I

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called this week Big Brain week on on

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fade to black red Isaac Arthur another

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physicist on Monday and last night dr.

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Manu saves about a was here tonight you

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are here it does it does it for you I

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mean does it bother you that that people

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refer to you as the smart guy in the

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room do you pay attention to that or or

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not you know what I mean do people do

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people focus on that a bit too much yeah

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it's it's not terribly uncomfortable but

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it's it's a little bit cringy so I just

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kind of have learned to ignore it I know

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it's not true anyway so not a problem

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it's either oh you're the consciousness

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guy or it's didn't you have a show on

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MTV in the 80s that's good that's good

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that's good okay so comedy is your

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second coming and you can see you can

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see Adam at Sur laughs a lot here in

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Burbank every Monday night but see this

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is the thing yeah you also grow up you

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know being you know one of the one of

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those smart students in school too as

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well and that automatically throws you

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into another group of which can be

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torment or not but you have to go

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through that too as well did you do all

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of those things that are part of urban

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myth and legend I did some of them and

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others I did not do I was lucky enough

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to start down a path of exploring

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alternative science unconventional topic

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scientifically such as the UFO questions

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such as the nature of consciousness

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and so forth while I was still in high

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school right and it became really clear

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to me that what I was learning or told

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to memorize in my high school physics

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classes and later on in college was if

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not wrong then certainly incomplete

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which makes anything very difficult to

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know right why study it if you know

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what's wrong to say nothing of the

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excitement of the alternative and so I

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was a good student I didn't really study

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that much it was much more interested in

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in business and tinkering at home I had

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my own little chemistry laboratory in

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our basement I made fireworks I built a

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lot of Tesla coils I just generally had

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had fun like that but no I was never

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picked on or anything like that I was

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absent as much as I could be now there's

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there's something else you and I I'm not

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sure the first time that you and I met

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I'm not sure about that but we have had

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the opportunity to talk a lot over the

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years and you attend a lot of the

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conferences and I see you at them but

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you are not out there necessarily

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mingling and being an extrovert like I

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am right I got a big mouth I like a

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crowd you know I'd like to walk into a

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room you're you you're there to learn

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and to hang out and and to collect

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knowledge and not necessarily be the

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loudest guy in the room that I do right

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but I have also found that once you

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start talking you don't stop so that's

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am I right about that

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that's the key - Adam curry is - you

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know you need to be in your comfort zone

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right is that is that part of the

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learning that you've done over the years

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that you focused on the pragmatic side

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of science and not necessarily in being

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the loudest guy in the room like

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somebody like me I took the myers-briggs

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test and my personality type is an infj

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so an intro

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intuitive feeling judgmental person so

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I'm not wrong

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00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:43,490
Audra cosign is a double leo so I have

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these two very conflicting bipolar

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personality yeah that doesn't make any

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sense at all actually it does well wait

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a minute what did I just say right that

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once you yeah yeah yeah Wow oh that's

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00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:03,020
very interesting it's very interesting

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00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:06,530
now let's let's actually we've got a lot

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to talk about tonight you brought up a

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couple of different things early on that

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I want to discuss and get out of the way

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and the first thing is consciousness and

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when we get into this the the part about

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consciousness that I'm always interested

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in when I hear right when I hear a

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physicist say the word consciousness I

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automatically open up my ears because I

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want to know what he's going to say next

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00:42:46,450 --> 00:42:41,780
all right that's that's a crucial part

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of who he is or or her as a scientist

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00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:48,800
and as a physicist they can go either

766
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way in the consciousness question right

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00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:53,810
when you hear consciousness brought up

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in our community it's great it's

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wonderful we understand it we know that

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something is going on there we enjoy it

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we enjoy the connection but in science

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Pacha sness is like that's as crazy of a

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word to throw around like atlantis or

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00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:17,480
aliens it is isn't it it used to be and

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00:43:22,090 --> 00:43:20,660
it's however coming into coming into

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vogue in the mainstream a little bit

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00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:25,300
more for reasons we can get into but

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consciousness for some people the

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question of consciousness is a question

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00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:33,590
of what is it how do we explain it where

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00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:35,890
does it come from and what can it do and

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00:43:41,350 --> 00:43:38,150
for other people the question of

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00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,360
consciousness is how do I use it to

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benefit myself how do I expand my

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consciousness what are the

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of my own awareness that I can plunge

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into and come out learning something new

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00:43:56,299 --> 00:43:54,239
and the two are related although it's

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kind of tricky to connect them but maybe

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00:44:03,769 --> 00:43:59,489
we can try to do so well okay now could

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you imagine somebody like Lawrence

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Krauss right

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Richard Dawkins or Brian Greene or Sean

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Carroll or Neil deGrasse any of those

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00:44:17,539 --> 00:44:15,660
guys say what you just said yeah I'm

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enjoying consciousness and I'm trying to

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explore how to expand it inside of

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myself and and and how we can use it to

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connect with that they would never do

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later right they would never cross that

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line it's probably bad marketing for the

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carefully constructed scientific

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personality that they have created in

804
00:44:39,229 --> 00:44:37,410
the public in private who knows that

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00:44:40,789 --> 00:44:39,239
they'd say but in public it would seem

806
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:40,799
perhaps a bit contradictory to their

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00:44:49,279 --> 00:44:46,609
prior opinions when you hear physicists

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00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:49,289
I'm saying physicists but let's just go

809
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with the general scientific community

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00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:55,559
mention that when it comes to

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consciousness they will usually go with

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the the tried and true I keep using the

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00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:05,569
word dogma but in this case it applies

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00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:08,339
that consciousness is nothing more than

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00:45:15,529 --> 00:45:11,430
a chemical reaction right that's all it

816
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:15,539
is the consciousness is in everything in

817
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,529
some small degree you accumulate enough

818
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:22,319
of the atoms together and the

819
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:25,380
electricity that is their consciousness

820
00:45:33,229 --> 00:45:28,380
is created but it's a natural occurring

821
00:45:36,859 --> 00:45:33,239
event in in the universe that's that's a

822
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:36,869
weird but it's the safe zone where they

823
00:45:40,579 --> 00:45:39,690
don't have to get controversial that's

824
00:45:42,799 --> 00:45:40,589
exactly right

825
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,809
previously their perspective on

826
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:44,099
consciousness would have been something

827
00:45:51,019 --> 00:45:48,329
like it's not even real but then they

828
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:51,029
were confronted with how absurd that is

829
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:53,339
on its face because the fact that we are

830
00:45:57,859 --> 00:45:55,650
aware is the only thing of which we can

831
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:57,869
truly be sure right right

832
00:45:59,700 --> 00:45:58,390
and

833
00:46:01,500 --> 00:45:59,710
so now the perspective is what you

834
00:46:05,549 --> 00:46:01,510
described which is that okay okay

835
00:46:08,759 --> 00:46:05,559
consciousness is is a thing but it is an

836
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:08,769
illusion that is produced by the brain

837
00:46:13,859 --> 00:46:10,150
meaning that there are physical

838
00:46:15,779 --> 00:46:13,869
processes chemical transfers between the

839
00:46:21,529 --> 00:46:15,789
cells and so forth that somehow in some

840
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:21,539
great complex Opera it gives rise to the

841
00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:24,460
experience of consciousness and that

842
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:27,640
seems pretty reasonable on its face but

843
00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:29,380
there's a number of reasons why that

844
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:32,140
perspective is is wrong and it's kind of

845
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:35,950
rapidly fading the first is that it's a

846
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:38,529
secret secretly a logical fallacy if you

847
00:46:44,579 --> 00:46:40,990
think about it too so that consciousness

848
00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:44,589
is an illusion begs the question and

849
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:47,470
illusion to whom who is experiencing the

850
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:50,170
illusion that that presupposes the

851
00:46:54,539 --> 00:46:51,910
existence of consciousness you see by

852
00:46:57,529 --> 00:46:54,549
saying that and that would include

853
00:46:59,609 --> 00:46:57,539
everything right you can't get behind

854
00:47:01,019 --> 00:46:59,619
consciousness there is no way to explain

855
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:01,029
it with something else

856
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:03,420
it's just consciousness all the way down

857
00:47:08,220 --> 00:47:04,569
okay

858
00:47:11,539 --> 00:47:08,230
so if it's not an illusion then what is

859
00:47:15,089 --> 00:47:11,549
it well turns out that there's about

860
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:15,099
let's just call it two great mysteries

861
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:19,240
that humanity has been grappling with in

862
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,089
the course of its known history and the

863
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:23,680
first mystery is the mystery of

864
00:47:29,339 --> 00:47:27,160
existence that is why is there something

865
00:47:32,279 --> 00:47:29,349
instead of nothing okay this is the

866
00:47:34,650 --> 00:47:32,289
question that the Big Bang is trying to

867
00:47:35,819 --> 00:47:34,660
provide an answer to and the second

868
00:47:39,329 --> 00:47:35,829
mystery is the mystery of consciousness

869
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:39,339
why is it that you can't get behind

870
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:41,140
consciousness why is it that something

871
00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:43,150
like the brain which we can understand

872
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:45,880
from a biological perspective from a

873
00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:47,710
chemical perspective from an electrical

874
00:47:52,019 --> 00:47:49,240
perspective you from a quantum

875
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:52,029
perspective still doesn't at all explain

876
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:54,700
why there's subjectivity why there's an

877
00:48:00,240 --> 00:47:58,240
interior state of that brain why is it

878
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:00,250
possible that the brain could comprehend

879
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:02,710
itself that it could feel things like

880
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:05,920
love that it could experience something

881
00:48:11,299 --> 00:48:08,559
like seeing the color green having an

882
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:11,309
intuition being

883
00:48:16,739 --> 00:48:14,230
happiness joy all the spectrum of human

884
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:16,749
emotions we've never actually seen those

885
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:21,190
and so any scientific in general any

886
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:24,400
materialistic scientific explanation for

887
00:48:30,329 --> 00:48:27,690
those things is only an external account

888
00:48:32,489 --> 00:48:30,339
science can only provide an external

889
00:48:34,529 --> 00:48:32,499
account of things it doesn't provide an

890
00:48:36,779 --> 00:48:34,539
internal account so here we have these

891
00:48:39,029 --> 00:48:36,789
two great mysteries mystery of existence

892
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,039
in the mystery of science trying to

893
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:41,440
explain each the mystery of existence in

894
00:48:47,849 --> 00:48:42,700
the mystery of consciousness trying to

895
00:48:50,249 --> 00:48:47,859
explain each other my perspective is has

896
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,259
become as it has become for so many

897
00:48:54,269 --> 00:48:52,480
others before me that the two are really

898
00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:54,279
both sides of the same coin

899
00:48:59,009 --> 00:48:56,920
but it's only a problem to the extent

900
00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:59,019
that you try to see one rooted in the

901
00:49:06,749 --> 00:49:00,970
other and and not to understand them

902
00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:06,759
both together so if we if we start to

903
00:49:13,259 --> 00:49:09,640
accept this going back to the

904
00:49:17,999 --> 00:49:13,269
establishment right the Orthodox side of

905
00:49:22,739 --> 00:49:18,009
science could we ever expect a day where

906
00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:22,749
this this this thought this idea and and

907
00:49:28,769 --> 00:49:25,720
these theories and this this approach

908
00:49:33,150 --> 00:49:28,779
would be spoken about and and could

909
00:49:35,009 --> 00:49:33,160
become part of another dogma absolutely

910
00:49:39,299 --> 00:49:35,019
and I think that you've nailed it it's

911
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:39,309
not that it's going to produce a picture

912
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:42,910
of the truth that's that will never

913
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,470
change after we sort of accept

914
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:46,960
consciousness as a real thing and

915
00:49:51,479 --> 00:49:49,839
pervasive in the universe it will it

916
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:51,489
will give rise to more dogmas I mean

917
00:49:55,499 --> 00:49:54,130
that's just human nature right but yeah

918
00:49:57,299 --> 00:49:55,509
I mean I think that that is rapidly

919
00:49:59,849 --> 00:49:57,309
happening probably within the next ten

920
00:50:02,370 --> 00:49:59,859
years there will be a much broader

921
00:50:04,529 --> 00:50:02,380
consensus on the nature of consciousness

922
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:04,539
and its proper role within the physical

923
00:50:08,099 --> 00:50:06,430
world to the extent that you could say

924
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:08,109
that this is now mainstream science I

925
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:09,849
think it's it's literally only about ten

926
00:50:19,799 --> 00:50:14,890
years away Wyatt why a ten year that's

927
00:50:21,780 --> 00:50:19,809
interesting well okay but you know why

928
00:50:25,290 --> 00:50:21,790
ten years

929
00:50:28,140 --> 00:50:25,300
but why the time limit do you think it

930
00:50:30,570 --> 00:50:28,150
could I'm thinking this is my I'm

931
00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:30,580
hopeful but I'm thinking the

932
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:31,990
breakthroughs that are happening right

933
00:50:36,930 --> 00:50:34,720
now in physics and quantum physics and

934
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:36,940
and the discussion of entanglement that

935
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:39,910
seems to happen every single day in

936
00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:42,390
mainstream science in in those circles

937
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:46,630
that the the progress could be very very

938
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:49,180
rapid and it could start fitting into

939
00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:53,470
their math that's right I would disagree

940
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:55,540
that there is great progress in quantum

941
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,890
physics to be honest I think that

942
00:51:01,440 --> 00:50:58,480
there's been very little progress there

943
00:51:05,370 --> 00:51:01,450
but there has been great progress in in

944
00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:05,380
looking for the quantum origins and the

945
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:08,380
deeper nature of things like the cells

946
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:13,090
in our brain of new new Sciences like

947
00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:16,150
quantum chemistry for example and the

948
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:18,520
further we dig down into what we think

949
00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:20,650
of or expect to be the seat of

950
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:22,540
consciousness for example the more that

951
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:23,770
we're going to find that it ain't there

952
00:51:29,970 --> 00:51:27,730
and so as a result as we technologically

953
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:29,980
sort of probe deeper I think the mystery

954
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:34,270
only expands and we're basically using

955
00:51:40,290 --> 00:51:36,070
microscopes to show how little we know

956
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:40,300
and when we we sort of choose to adopt a

957
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:42,910
new framework for understanding these

958
00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:44,290
mysteries that's what I would call a

959
00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:47,140
paradigm shift it's not that we like

960
00:51:50,910 --> 00:51:49,240
finally figured out the particle that

961
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,920
connected everything together it's

962
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:53,200
really that we changed our the way that

963
00:51:57,090 --> 00:51:55,570
we understand experiments the way that

964
00:52:00,360 --> 00:51:57,100
we understand these things and then I

965
00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:00,370
think is a more realistic definition of

966
00:52:04,050 --> 00:52:02,680
paradigm shift these mysteries will be

967
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:04,060
with us but we'll understand them in

968
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:06,250
different ways so when we look at things

969
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:10,810
like string theory and the the theory of

970
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:14,290
everything you know taking Einstein one

971
00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:17,560
step further both versions of Einstein I

972
00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:21,580
should say and and resolving that into

973
00:52:27,870 --> 00:52:25,750
one perfect set of equations to to

974
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,880
answer everything if they actually

975
00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:30,640
pulled that off then what string theory

976
00:52:36,310 --> 00:52:33,260
represents and what that elegant

977
00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:36,320
an elegant equation is ultimately going

978
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:38,300
to mean it's going to involve

979
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:40,610
consciousness it's going to involve the

980
00:52:47,490 --> 00:52:44,800
the unknown because that part is the

981
00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:47,500
it's the piece of the puzzle that

982
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:51,020
physicists can't get to right that's

983
00:52:57,460 --> 00:52:54,010
that's that's what's stopping them from

984
00:53:00,220 --> 00:52:57,470
from resolving the grand question

985
00:53:03,610 --> 00:53:00,230
because they don't want to go into the

986
00:53:05,860 --> 00:53:03,620
realm of the fantastical they don't want

987
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:05,870
to go there the only way to answer all

988
00:53:11,350 --> 00:53:09,650
of this is to go there right it's

989
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:11,360
important to understand that we're using

990
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:13,490
consciousness to invent frameworks for

991
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:15,650
understanding itself that just happened

992
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:18,110
to be convenient and not too

993
00:53:22,990 --> 00:53:21,470
embarrassing and we need to we need to

994
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,000
wake up that we're due to the fact that

995
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:26,000
we're doing that first the the scientist

996
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:29,450
Eric Weinstein he he made some comment

997
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:31,490
that I thought was amazing you know if

998
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:33,770
we have elements of our society that are

999
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:36,530
that need extra help we have welfare for

1000
00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:38,090
them right we sort of give them monthly

1001
00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:40,280
checks or I guess in the virus that the

1002
00:53:43,870 --> 00:53:41,720
quarantine we sort of provide monthly

1003
00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:43,880
checks with people and he said that

1004
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:47,300
string theory is like welfare for baby

1005
00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:50,960
boomer scientists and what he means is

1006
00:53:54,010 --> 00:53:53,240
that okay well you guys can't admit that

1007
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:54,020
you're wrong

1008
00:53:58,180 --> 00:53:55,760
we've got a bunch of stuff right and

1009
00:54:00,850 --> 00:53:58,190
you've you're you've found nothing but

1010
00:54:02,590 --> 00:54:00,860
mystery that you you you can't solve

1011
00:54:05,980 --> 00:54:02,600
through experiments or through any sort

1012
00:54:08,050 --> 00:54:05,990
of really clever theorizing and you're

1013
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:08,060
you're sort of too afraid to go into the

1014
00:54:12,820 --> 00:54:11,540
direction of well maybe this there's

1015
00:54:15,250 --> 00:54:12,830
something to this consciousness stuff

1016
00:54:17,740 --> 00:54:15,260
something to this non-physical stuff so

1017
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:17,750
we're gonna give you strength theory and

1018
00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:20,140
all string theory does is basically say

1019
00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:23,780
whatever you need the math to say here's

1020
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,880
an explanation that does it for you just

1021
00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:27,920
plug in your own numbers and they'll all

1022
00:54:35,579 --> 00:54:32,990
work out it's like that is such a

1023
00:54:40,739 --> 00:54:35,589
brilliant statement and

1024
00:54:43,890 --> 00:54:40,749
when I hear string theorists those that

1025
00:54:47,940 --> 00:54:43,900
try to prop it up I should say one of

1026
00:54:51,299 --> 00:54:47,950
their arguments when it starts to go

1027
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:51,309
there is a men the math has never been

1028
00:54:57,269 --> 00:54:54,640
wrong right right that's your answer

1029
00:55:02,339 --> 00:54:57,279
that that's exactly and when you can

1030
00:55:04,049 --> 00:55:02,349
just add numbers and equations just

1031
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:04,059
built it on then of course the math is

1032
00:55:07,769 --> 00:55:06,190
never going to be wrong you can you can

1033
00:55:11,940 --> 00:55:07,779
create a along the equation that

1034
00:55:16,019 --> 00:55:11,950
describes anything you want right and

1035
00:55:21,989 --> 00:55:16,029
because the the math always works they

1036
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:21,999
feel that it's legitimate right that

1037
00:55:27,150 --> 00:55:25,690
that it's not wrong right and that's the

1038
00:55:30,749 --> 00:55:27,160
way that they approach it and it's a

1039
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:30,759
very difficult position to start to

1040
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:33,729
debate when they come back with an

1041
00:55:40,109 --> 00:55:37,180
answer like that and here's the other

1042
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:40,119
part okay here's the other part and this

1043
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:44,609
is where I enjoy saying this is is this

1044
00:55:51,450 --> 00:55:48,430
string theorists will tell you and

1045
00:55:54,089 --> 00:55:51,460
physicists too as well okay let's we can

1046
00:55:56,249 --> 00:55:54,099
kind of lump them the square is a

1047
00:55:58,799 --> 00:55:56,259
rectangle rectangle isn't a square thing

1048
00:56:02,789 --> 00:55:58,809
so we can kind of lump them all together

1049
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:02,799
but they say this that okay there's

1050
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:04,210
three dimensions there's a fourth

1051
00:56:07,859 --> 00:56:06,190
dimension and it's a space-time okay so

1052
00:56:09,989 --> 00:56:07,869
we've actually got four dimensions and

1053
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,999
we know about that but there can be as

1054
00:56:14,459 --> 00:56:12,400
many as ten or eleven dimensions out

1055
00:56:16,259 --> 00:56:14,469
there and we know that they're there

1056
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:16,269
it's small but these dimensions exist

1057
00:56:22,589 --> 00:56:19,630
and these extra dimensions and as they

1058
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:22,599
are saying that right and get your head

1059
00:56:29,039 --> 00:56:25,960
spinning that there are other dimensions

1060
00:56:31,019 --> 00:56:29,049
then they they bring up parallel worlds

1061
00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:31,029
they'll bring up the multiverse of

1062
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:33,190
course they'll bring up Schrodinger's

1063
00:56:42,059 --> 00:56:37,930
cat and Schrodinger's equation and the

1064
00:56:46,019 --> 00:56:42,069
the splitting of you or anything that is

1065
00:56:49,090 --> 00:56:46,029
observed into infinity right and you

1066
00:56:50,860 --> 00:56:49,100
start to hear these statements

1067
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:50,870
and you just wonder what is actually

1068
00:56:58,900 --> 00:56:55,310
going on here right where you are really

1069
00:57:00,670 --> 00:56:58,910
pushing hard core science fiction but

1070
00:57:03,490 --> 00:57:00,680
you're looking at us with a straight

1071
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:03,500
face as you do it but yet you don't want

1072
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:06,400
to discuss consciousness mm-hmm right

1073
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:10,480
yeah that's right if you need to invoke

1074
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:12,890
extra dimensions for your precious

1075
00:57:17,350 --> 00:57:14,030
theory to work

1076
00:57:21,940 --> 00:57:17,360
it's basically an academic bailout and

1077
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:21,950
the it's really not so hard to accept

1078
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:24,440
consciousness as an agent in the world

1079
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,510
that works backwards and forwards and

1080
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:28,640
time and nudges stuff around I mean I

1081
00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:30,500
know it seems a little scary at first

1082
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:33,350
but once you wade in the water is quite

1083
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:38,570
nice now how does funny stuff tonight

1084
00:57:50,350 --> 00:57:42,290
Adam yeah it's a good stuff it is is

1085
00:57:54,370 --> 00:57:50,360
this I depend on science to talk to me

1086
00:57:57,220 --> 00:57:54,380
so I can understand their work they need

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to put it in verbage that I can

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understand and I can digest and of

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course I'm speaking for everybody else

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00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:03,170
too as well but when we are talking

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about the upper down positions of

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particles and and atoms and entanglement

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and observation and measurements these

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00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:20,060
are of particles when they say this I'm

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:25,550
assuming that they have seen it it's not

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00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:28,850
we are talking everything that they lay

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00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:30,470
out their force including those

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00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:33,320
dimensions and everything else in

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00:58:42,340 --> 00:58:38,960
parallel and universe worlds that all of

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00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:42,350
this is math so what is it in these

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00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:45,890
equations that tells them a particle is

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00:58:54,990 --> 00:58:50,330
spinning up or down or that there is an

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00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:55,000
observation that is creating another

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00:58:59,160 --> 00:58:56,290
entangled

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00:59:02,000 --> 00:58:59,170
article in a pair I don't understand

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00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:02,010
that how that comes out of an equation

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00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:05,260
well they are the equation driven so in

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:08,170
in the case of what gives a particle

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00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:09,490
what's called its spin or its

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00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:11,590
characteristics up-down left-right and

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00:59:16,410 --> 00:59:13,150
these types of things these are really

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00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:16,420
just ways of denoting potential states

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00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:20,980
in some sort of particle so if you could

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00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:24,160
constrain a single particle down to a

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00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:27,970
very limited route of possibilities and

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00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:31,450
route of states then you can describe

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00:59:35,250 --> 00:59:33,190
those states as up down and so forth

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00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:35,260
you're kind of working from there it

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00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:37,540
gets more complex than that in the case

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of of what you're describing here as the

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00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:44,980
color they the collapse the measurement

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00:59:51,870 --> 00:59:47,370
problem that's a little bit more robust

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00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:51,880
and there's ample evidence for that it's

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00:59:58,050 --> 00:59:55,300
true that we can't or we haven't exactly

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00:59:59,760 --> 00:59:58,060
seen many of these particles that we

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describe mathematically with such

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01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:02,710
confidence but some of them we've seen

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their fingerprints we've seen their

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01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:08,200
shadows and in many cases we've done

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01:00:12,450 --> 01:00:09,910
very very good experiments that show

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01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:12,460
that whatever it is that we think we're

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01:00:15,330 --> 01:00:13,870
measuring we're definitely measuring

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01:00:17,820 --> 01:00:15,340
something that has an outcome of some

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01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:17,830
consistency it is true that quantum

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01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,110
mechanics in the math has never been

1136
01:00:26,580 --> 01:00:23,440
wrong the question is more like what are

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01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:26,590
we looking at what does it mean what are

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:29,290
we missing in the equations right and

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01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:32,530
and trying to get to to quantum

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01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:36,310
physicists to agree it can't do it can't

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01:00:41,730 --> 01:00:38,050
do it let's let's take our break right

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01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:41,740
here I mean I don't think that anybody

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01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,270
would actually say that they fully

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01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:45,520
understand it that's that's the other

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01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:48,400
part where just Adam as I'm getting a

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01:00:53,010 --> 01:00:51,370
grip on it and then I find out that they

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01:00:56,190 --> 01:00:53,020
actually don't feel like they really

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01:00:58,920 --> 01:00:56,200
understand that's right just like wait a

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:00:58,930
minute I was getting close let's take a

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01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:00,610
break right here I guess tonight Adam

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01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,770
curry I am your host Jimmy Church

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welcome back fade to black I am euros

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from the church our guest tonight Adam

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Curry yes and I just tweeted out to the

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01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:26,620
other Adam curry from MTV and Adam and I

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01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:30,770
years ago were in a lot of communication

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01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:32,930
trying to line things up to bring him on

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01:06:44,730 --> 01:06:39,290
the show and we will do that and word it

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01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:44,740
just stirred the pot podcasting right

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01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:48,230
podcasting that's adam curry you need to

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01:06:52,270 --> 01:06:49,610
think about that for a second we'll get

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01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:52,280
at him on the show and it'll be fun and

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:06:55,160
how many times a demand now that i just

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01:07:01,810 --> 01:07:00,050
mentioned that are you you're not quite

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01:07:04,090 --> 01:07:01,820
old enough to remember adam curry when

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01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:04,100
he was in his heyday but i'm sure that

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01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:06,890
it gets is it every day somebody

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01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:09,770
mentions it no it's only when i meet

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people with some musical tastes and a

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01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,960
modicum of years under their belt you

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01:07:18,790 --> 01:07:16,400
just reminded me though that i have a

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01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:18,800
really funny other adam curry story so

1279
01:07:24,010 --> 01:07:21,110
for the listeners in in the 80s the

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01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:24,020
first MTV Veejay was also named adam

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01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:26,030
curry i think he hosted a show called

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01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:28,670
headbangers ball that came later but yes

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01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:32,450
you're absolutely right yep okay so some

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:35,930
years ago I was listening to the Alex

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01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:38,450
Jones radio show and I thought it would

1286
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:40,850
be fun to be a guest on the show so I

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01:07:46,510 --> 01:07:43,810
decided to put this on my vision board

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01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:46,520
to manifest it into happening right

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01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:49,520
being invited on the show I'm too lazy

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01:07:53,380 --> 01:07:51,290
to actually make a vision board so I

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01:07:54,970 --> 01:07:53,390
just have a folder on my computer called

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01:07:57,130 --> 01:07:54,980
vision board and I just drop stuff in

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01:07:59,470 --> 01:07:57,140
there but you know same thing same thing

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:07:59,480
sure it's like okay I'm gonna be on the

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01:08:04,030 --> 01:08:01,730
Alex Jones Show I

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01:08:06,490 --> 01:08:04,040
it wasn't the next day but it was the

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01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:06,500
day after that I believe I was listening

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01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:09,950
to his show and the guest was Adam Curry

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01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:15,440
but not me the other Adam Curry so then

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I later on I think this was around the

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01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:20,990
same time but I started I stopped

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01:08:23,860 --> 01:08:22,730
listening to Alex Jones and I started

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01:08:26,830 --> 01:08:23,870
listening to a lot of

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01:08:28,750 --> 01:08:26,840
Logan so same thing I'm like this guy's

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01:08:33,070 --> 01:08:28,760
awesome I want to be on his show so

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01:08:37,690 --> 01:08:33,080
again I drag a photo of Joe Rogan into

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01:08:40,210 --> 01:08:37,700
my vision board folder and sometime that

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01:08:42,310 --> 01:08:40,220
week I was listening to the show in the

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01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:42,320
background while I was working and I

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01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:45,290
heard my own voice like wait a minute

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01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:47,930
so he clicked back over to YouTube and

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01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,690
Joe Rogan was playing that clip of the

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01:08:54,940 --> 01:08:52,880
serious documentary and he was claiming

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01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:54,950
the part where I'm speaking at it so I

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01:08:59,980 --> 01:08:57,650
was technically on Joe Rogan is just not

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01:09:02,170 --> 01:08:59,990
in in person so that's how I learned to

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01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:02,180
be very specific if you're going to try

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01:09:10,810 --> 01:09:05,600
to manifest something that's that's see

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01:09:12,820 --> 01:09:10,820
that right there I did Paulo Harris

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01:09:16,660 --> 01:09:12,830
interviewed me earlier today for her

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01:09:20,430 --> 01:09:16,670
podcast and that's one of the things

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01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:20,440
that she specifically asked me about was

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synchronicities and it is a strange

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01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:30,650
thing when you ask yourself we we often

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01:09:34,690 --> 01:09:32,690
wonder right we know that there's

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01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:34,700
something else going on out there and it

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01:09:43,270 --> 01:09:38,480
in most cases it's an intangible but we

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01:09:46,570 --> 01:09:43,280
want a tangible situation that shows us

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01:09:49,390 --> 01:09:46,580
the intangible right that's what we're

1330
01:09:53,230 --> 01:09:49,400
all looking for that what you just

1331
01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:53,240
stated is the tangible version of the

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01:09:59,380 --> 01:09:56,450
intangible that's exactly it where I

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01:10:01,780 --> 01:09:59,390
mean what are the odds of that where

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01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:01,790
that's not you know we're not getting

1335
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:03,470
into I hate saying the word coincidence

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01:10:08,620 --> 01:10:05,930
it's just so worn out but that's not

1337
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:08,630
what this is in this case and I find

1338
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:12,110
that to be hilarious I just find that to

1339
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:15,290
be hilarious so I just tweeted out you

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01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:18,320
know somebody just said you know

1341
01:10:23,140 --> 01:10:20,000
whatever posted a picture of Adam Curry

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01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:23,150
back in the day and it just forced me to

1343
01:10:26,710 --> 01:10:25,160
go Adam over to you it's you know it's

1344
01:10:29,460 --> 01:10:26,720
about time we get you get you on the

1345
01:10:33,130 --> 01:10:29,470
show we just mentioned to you tonight so

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01:10:36,490 --> 01:10:33,140
it's like your version of the the vision

1347
01:10:40,090 --> 01:10:36,500
so we'll see what happens he's really

1348
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,100
cool and we'll see if it happens during

1349
01:10:45,130 --> 01:10:42,320
the show tonight if it responds to the

1350
01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:45,140
Adam Curry Twitter thread that is going

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01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:48,920
down right now I'll let you know now

1352
01:10:52,570 --> 01:10:51,260
it's oh okay so back to music really

1353
01:10:54,490 --> 01:10:52,580
quick

1354
01:10:57,940 --> 01:10:54,500
you mentioned the heavy metal what was

1355
01:11:02,800 --> 01:10:57,950
the last piece of music that you listen

1356
01:11:05,470 --> 01:11:02,810
to today oh good question well I've been

1357
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:05,480
all day I've been listening to just

1358
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:06,290
tones

1359
01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:07,730
it's like low in the background because

1360
01:11:10,450 --> 01:11:08,990
I've been kind of in meetings and stuff

1361
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:10,460
but that doesn't count so let me

1362
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:12,530
actually find the last song song to

1363
01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:17,450
which I listened I can tell you for me

1364
01:11:26,650 --> 01:11:23,540
it was Glen Campbell doing his his

1365
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:26,660
version of the song if that was written

1366
01:11:33,730 --> 01:11:31,040
by David Dean's from bread acoustic oh

1367
01:11:35,710 --> 01:11:33,740
man it's just incredible so that was the

1368
01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:35,720
last thing I'd listen to today but I

1369
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:38,840
went through four or five Glen Campbell

1370
01:11:47,170 --> 01:11:43,670
songs in a row and that's tough yeah I'm

1371
01:11:49,390 --> 01:11:47,180
not all heavy-metal all the time but as

1372
01:11:51,580 --> 01:11:49,400
you're looking up the last song that you

1373
01:11:54,820 --> 01:11:51,590
listened to today I want to jump into

1374
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:54,830
entanglement and I'm gonna start off

1375
01:12:00,460 --> 01:11:57,290
here I'm actually gonna start off with a

1376
01:12:03,670 --> 01:12:00,470
tweet that just came in from Kim and Kim

1377
01:12:06,910 --> 01:12:03,680
says I'm just gonna read exactly how she

1378
01:12:09,460 --> 01:12:06,920
tweeted it she says I hope this dude it

1379
01:12:13,090 --> 01:12:09,470
can help me understand entanglement I

1380
01:12:15,970 --> 01:12:13,100
get that I get that separated particles

1381
01:12:19,540 --> 01:12:15,980
feel each other at a distance but what

1382
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:19,550
are we looking at what does it mean what

1383
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:23,600
are we not seeing see and and I think

1384
01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:26,560
that that is one of it's such a

1385
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:29,420
fundamental question right it's such a

1386
01:12:38,290 --> 01:12:34,400
what is entanglement really everybody

1387
01:12:40,420 --> 01:12:38,300
can go back and quote Einstein all day

1388
01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:40,430
long right spooky action at a distance

1389
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:43,190
but that may be the best definition of

1390
01:12:46,979 --> 01:12:44,409
entanglement and it

1391
01:12:49,109 --> 01:12:46,989
100 years old what's your definition of

1392
01:12:50,459 --> 01:12:49,119
entanglement yeah that's a great

1393
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:50,469
question

1394
01:13:01,109 --> 01:12:54,159
so my song was motivations by clams

1395
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:01,119
casino so there's that okay so an

1396
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:03,550
entanglement is a simple idea it's

1397
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:06,010
basically if you have two objects let's

1398
01:13:10,379 --> 01:13:08,130
call them particles but you can imagine

1399
01:13:14,339 --> 01:13:10,389
you can imagine them being say tennis

1400
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:14,349
balls and you have them separated by a

1401
01:13:20,909 --> 01:13:17,110
distance maybe a great distance maybe a

1402
01:13:23,939 --> 01:13:20,919
small distance and let's say that these

1403
01:13:27,629 --> 01:13:23,949
tennis balls can rotate either left or

1404
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:27,639
right and if one is going to always

1405
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:29,530
rotate the opposite of the other so

1406
01:13:36,029 --> 01:13:31,409
one's rotating left ones rotating right

1407
01:13:39,179 --> 01:13:36,039
now you can turn one of those tennis

1408
01:13:42,929 --> 01:13:39,189
balls in any direction you choose and

1409
01:13:45,569 --> 01:13:42,939
that is going to cause a complementary

1410
01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:45,579
but correspondingly different rotation

1411
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:48,820
and the other one and this is a this is

1412
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:50,110
an experiment that has been set up many

1413
01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:52,239
times where you can prepare sort of two

1414
01:13:58,439 --> 01:13:55,030
particles separate them in space make an

1415
01:14:03,810 --> 01:13:58,449
adjustment to one and instantly see the

1416
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:03,820
effect of that in the other object it's

1417
01:14:08,909 --> 01:14:06,369
experimentally quite verified however

1418
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:08,919
there is no real consensus about how

1419
01:14:14,189 --> 01:14:12,820
that's possible or what's going on okay

1420
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:14,199
so that's entanglement it's an

1421
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:17,590
instantaneous I hesitate to say

1422
01:14:22,939 --> 01:14:19,360
communication but it's an instantaneous

1423
01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:22,949
observed relationship between two things

1424
01:14:30,419 --> 01:14:27,400
the reason why I avoid communication is

1425
01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:30,429
that it's important to understand that

1426
01:14:37,229 --> 01:14:33,550
we've never found that there's any

1427
01:14:39,629 --> 01:14:37,239
information transfer between two objects

1428
01:14:41,489 --> 01:14:39,639
which are entangled that's really

1429
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:41,499
important we would think that there's

1430
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:42,880
there's got to be some sort of

1431
01:14:46,679 --> 01:14:44,729
information being transferred from

1432
01:14:50,009 --> 01:14:46,689
object one to object to

1433
01:14:52,169 --> 01:14:50,019
but we've neither found it nor do we

1434
01:14:52,830 --> 01:14:52,179
have any possible way of explaining it

1435
01:14:56,650 --> 01:14:52,840
just yet

1436
01:14:59,760 --> 01:14:56,660
so the question then is how does

1437
01:15:02,740 --> 01:14:59,770
the movement happened instantaneously

1438
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:02,750
and unfortunately we don't really know

1439
01:15:10,270 --> 01:15:07,690
but it the answer to that depends on the

1440
01:15:14,350 --> 01:15:10,280
cosmic schema that you're using let's

1441
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,360
say mainstream science has it's what's

1442
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:16,400
called the standard model okay that's

1443
01:15:20,530 --> 01:15:18,370
the collection of agreed-upon

1444
01:15:24,130 --> 01:15:20,540
interpretations of experiments starting

1445
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:24,140
from the Big Bang onward and it provides

1446
01:15:29,710 --> 01:15:27,410
you know answers that's just that's the

1447
01:15:32,230 --> 01:15:29,720
way it is right and that's a fine answer

1448
01:15:33,940 --> 01:15:32,240
to you know sometimes not making a wrong

1449
01:15:39,340 --> 01:15:33,950
assumption is better than making a wrong

1450
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:39,350
assumption there are other pictures of

1451
01:15:46,030 --> 01:15:44,810
how the universe works that bake in a

1452
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:46,040
sort of instantaneous information

1453
01:15:51,370 --> 01:15:48,590
transfer I'm thinking of the holographic

1454
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:51,380
universe theory and the holographic

1455
01:15:55,870 --> 01:15:53,360
universe theory it takes the idea of

1456
01:15:57,850 --> 01:15:55,880
what a hologram is and it expands it to

1457
01:15:59,560 --> 01:15:57,860
the entire universe now there's some

1458
01:16:01,210 --> 01:15:59,570
very interesting properties of a

1459
01:16:03,010 --> 01:16:01,220
hologram that would start to kind of

1460
01:16:05,620 --> 01:16:03,020
make sense of these weird things that

1461
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:05,630
we're seeing a hologram is an

1462
01:16:09,490 --> 01:16:07,760
interference pattern between two lasers

1463
01:16:11,260 --> 01:16:09,500
shine on the light so that I won't get

1464
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:11,270
too much into it but basically one

1465
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,490
unique property of a hologram you know

1466
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:15,440
that 3d kind of light image that we've

1467
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:19,280
all seen is that you can you can take a

1468
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:20,930
little bit of that hologram and

1469
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:23,050
reconstruct the entire thing so

1470
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:26,810
information is sort of contained in the

1471
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:30,560
small about the very large has below so

1472
01:16:36,460 --> 01:16:33,530
above and it's sort of instantly there

1473
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:36,470
right and if the whole universe is

1474
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,170
something like a hologram then we it's

1475
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:41,360
much easier to develop a framework for

1476
01:16:45,190 --> 01:16:42,530
understanding something like

1477
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:45,200
entanglement but the reason why I think

1478
01:16:49,620 --> 01:16:47,810
that's a really good question is while

1479
01:16:52,510 --> 01:16:49,630
we're probably not going to get to any

1480
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:52,520
resolution in terms of like what it is

1481
01:17:00,100 --> 01:16:57,290
objectively we don't know I have been

1482
01:17:02,380 --> 01:17:00,110
setting up some bizarre experiments over

1483
01:17:04,510 --> 01:17:02,390
the past year which have tried to take

1484
01:17:07,780 --> 01:17:04,520
this concept of entanglement to some

1485
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:07,790
absurd lengths and I can tell maybe some

1486
01:17:10,540 --> 01:17:09,920
stories about well I'm not even sure if

1487
01:17:12,189 --> 01:17:10,550
I should tell the

1488
01:17:17,709 --> 01:17:12,199
stories but whatever we'll talk about

1489
01:17:22,350 --> 01:17:17,719
them sure well okay by the very thought

1490
01:17:25,530 --> 01:17:22,360
of the flavor of the definition of

1491
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:25,540
entanglement doesn't that suggest

1492
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:29,210
communication of two objects two

1493
01:17:36,669 --> 01:17:32,690
particles to what Evers are reacting to

1494
01:17:39,069 --> 01:17:36,679
each other at the same time wouldn't

1495
01:17:42,069 --> 01:17:39,079
that by definition be communication and

1496
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:42,079
the second part of that you can address

1497
01:17:49,419 --> 01:17:44,000
that directly because I think that's

1498
01:17:53,649 --> 01:17:49,429
communication but if if if we go with

1499
01:17:58,270 --> 01:17:53,659
the basics of the universe in gain

1500
01:18:02,169 --> 01:17:58,280
on-and-off positive/negative computer

1501
01:18:05,770 --> 01:18:02,179
languages bits on and off yes or no

1502
01:18:12,430 --> 01:18:05,780
right the duality of everything then

1503
01:18:18,089 --> 01:18:12,440
isn't that by definition also not only

1504
01:18:20,890 --> 01:18:18,099
communication but how do I say this

1505
01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:20,900
information right isn't that a data

1506
01:18:25,629 --> 01:18:21,590
transfer

1507
01:18:27,609 --> 01:18:25,639
isn't that a yes or no isn't isn't the

1508
01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:27,619
spin of going in one direction or

1509
01:18:34,180 --> 01:18:30,440
another wouldn't that be the same as a

1510
01:18:37,089 --> 01:18:34,190
transistor turning on and off I believe

1511
01:18:39,879 --> 01:18:37,099
it is or it's similar but here's the

1512
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:39,889
trap we don't know at what level the

1513
01:18:46,180 --> 01:18:43,040
communication is transpiring maybe it's

1514
01:18:48,399 --> 01:18:46,190
a level below the physical particles

1515
01:18:51,609 --> 01:18:48,409
that we're seeing entanglement happening

1516
01:18:53,470 --> 01:18:51,619
and that level is beyond our ability to

1517
01:18:55,660 --> 01:18:53,480
measure and so we simply don't see it

1518
01:18:58,750 --> 01:18:55,670
okay but if we have that particle

1519
01:19:02,379 --> 01:18:58,760
trapped right and it's sitting in a

1520
01:19:06,069 --> 01:19:02,389
magnetic suspension where we know it's

1521
01:19:08,530 --> 01:19:06,079
spin direction right and it's that's

1522
01:19:09,549 --> 01:19:08,540
that's how we do it and on the other

1523
01:19:13,930 --> 01:19:09,559
side of the universe

1524
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:13,940
that particle that is entangled we

1525
01:19:19,450 --> 01:19:17,090
change its direction from here right we

1526
01:19:22,299 --> 01:19:19,460
do that and then on the other side of

1527
01:19:25,799 --> 01:19:22,309
the universe somebody else chain

1528
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:25,809
it's direction on the receiving end and

1529
01:19:36,010 --> 01:19:31,840
we see the change here and we observe it

1530
01:19:40,270 --> 01:19:36,020
haven't we just communicated you have

1531
01:19:42,180 --> 01:19:40,280
you have yeah the question is was it

1532
01:19:45,459 --> 01:19:42,190
something like a particle to particle

1533
01:19:47,589 --> 01:19:45,469
communication or was it something that

1534
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:47,599
is so difficult to imagine that we can't

1535
01:19:52,540 --> 01:19:51,050
really imagine like for example we saw

1536
01:19:54,609 --> 01:19:52,550
that let's say that there's this field

1537
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:54,619
that connects all things in the universe

1538
01:19:58,990 --> 01:19:57,440
and that field is maybe not a quantum

1539
01:20:02,290 --> 01:19:59,000
field but it's like a consciousness

1540
01:20:03,459 --> 01:20:02,300
field well just by saying it's a field

1541
01:20:07,029 --> 01:20:03,469
and by with the way that we are

1542
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:07,039
accustomed to it imagining things we're

1543
01:20:10,810 --> 01:20:08,690
assuming that it's spread out in space

1544
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:10,820
but that might not be the case at all

1545
01:20:15,490 --> 01:20:13,610
the consciousness field or that unity of

1546
01:20:18,970 --> 01:20:15,500
consciousness through which all things

1547
01:20:20,529 --> 01:20:18,980
are tied in this in this example might

1548
01:20:22,569 --> 01:20:20,539
be a singularity it might be a single

1549
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:22,579
point all of these things might be

1550
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:25,760
happening at a Depot or a higher level

1551
01:20:30,129 --> 01:20:28,250
instantaneously and we're just sort of

1552
01:20:31,839 --> 01:20:30,139
seeing it spread out into space in ways

1553
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:31,849
that are very peculiar to our our

1554
01:20:44,049 --> 01:20:38,570
worldview okay now let's take this idea

1555
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:44,059
a step further if if if communication at

1556
01:20:50,649 --> 01:20:48,110
an entangled level is happening with an

1557
01:20:52,419 --> 01:20:50,659
intelligent species that understands it

1558
01:20:55,979 --> 01:20:52,429
right they've tackled it and to them

1559
01:21:00,250 --> 01:20:55,989
it's easy but could we do the same

1560
01:21:04,330 --> 01:21:00,260
experiment but we place Adam Curry's

1561
01:21:08,020 --> 01:21:04,340
brain in that magnetic suspension right

1562
01:21:09,549 --> 01:21:08,030
work are you following me so now you're

1563
01:21:12,549 --> 01:21:09,559
getting somewhere okay because there's

1564
01:21:15,549 --> 01:21:12,559
something important about the nervous

1565
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:15,559
system that has somewhere in it these

1566
01:21:24,910 --> 01:21:20,510
questions answered somewhere there is

1567
01:21:27,129 --> 01:21:24,920
the let's say the communications had a

1568
01:21:29,740 --> 01:21:27,139
distance in a way that is received and

1569
01:21:32,979 --> 01:21:29,750
turned into meaningful information so

1570
01:21:33,540 --> 01:21:32,989
because now I'm assuming that we're all

1571
01:21:35,820 --> 01:21:33,550
on board

1572
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:35,830
something like SCI research being real

1573
01:21:39,540 --> 01:21:38,110
mind matter interaction psychokinesis

1574
01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:39,550
remote viewing all those things which

1575
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:42,580
clearly they are then there there is

1576
01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:47,050
some sort of information transfer that

1577
01:21:50,250 --> 01:21:48,910
is happening that is we know is

1578
01:21:53,220 --> 01:21:50,260
information because it produces

1579
01:21:56,130 --> 01:21:53,230
information in a subjective sense in our

1580
01:22:00,240 --> 01:21:56,140
own minds and the question is really

1581
01:22:03,210 --> 01:22:00,250
where to the to meet and we don't know

1582
01:22:06,180 --> 01:22:03,220
but I'll tell this this story about

1583
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:06,190
trying to find out where these things

1584
01:22:17,730 --> 01:22:14,800
meet I have a small company here in

1585
01:22:21,210 --> 01:22:17,740
California actually and I have a

1586
01:22:23,340 --> 01:22:21,220
warehouse and in this warehouse I have a

1587
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:23,350
warehouse manager and let's just call

1588
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:27,040
him David so David is the type of person

1589
01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:31,810
who is on top of everything he never

1590
01:22:37,410 --> 01:22:34,510
misses a beat he prides himself in fact

1591
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:37,420
on being very thorough and he is he's

1592
01:22:45,740 --> 01:22:42,850
amazing so I wanted to see if there was

1593
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:45,750
something about that brain let's call it

1594
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:49,690
the beliefs or the memories contained

1595
01:22:52,380 --> 01:22:51,010
within that brain or let's say

1596
01:22:54,930 --> 01:22:52,390
associated with that brain something

1597
01:22:58,010 --> 01:22:54,940
about David's beliefs and memories okay

1598
01:23:02,870 --> 01:22:58,020
is David on board with this community

1599
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:02,880
David is not okay perfect okay continue

1600
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,730
he is the control yeah basically what I

1601
01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:09,040
wanted to do is to see if I could create

1602
01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:10,920
a situation in which David's

1603
01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:13,780
consciousness was affecting the outcome

1604
01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:19,870
of a physical system in the past in a

1605
01:23:26,820 --> 01:23:22,630
way that that lined up with his beliefs

1606
01:23:30,180 --> 01:23:26,830
about the world okay so I got ahold of

1607
01:23:32,220 --> 01:23:30,190
this device which is a it's like a laser

1608
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:32,230
or interferometer basically it allows

1609
01:23:40,170 --> 01:23:38,110
you to send beams of light photons at a

1610
01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:40,180
mirror that's it's called a

1611
01:23:45,780 --> 01:23:43,980
half-silvered mirror and as the photon

1612
01:23:50,580 --> 01:23:45,790
encounters this half so

1613
01:23:54,090 --> 01:23:50,590
Damir it has an equal chance of bouncing

1614
01:23:57,210 --> 01:23:54,100
off of the silver part in which case

1615
01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:57,220
it's directed into one detector got it

1616
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:02,080
or passing through that the grass part

1617
01:24:07,380 --> 01:24:05,110
in which case it's detected by detector

1618
01:24:09,930 --> 01:24:07,390
2 so you have a 50/50 chance of these

1619
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:09,940
photons being picked up by detector 1 or

1620
01:24:14,010 --> 01:24:12,580
detector 2 and sure enough if you if you

1621
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:14,020
run this device and you look at the

1622
01:24:19,230 --> 01:24:16,510
detectors you get totally within reason

1623
01:24:19,890 --> 01:24:19,240
50/50 of these things if it's running by

1624
01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:19,900
itself

1625
01:24:27,870 --> 01:24:25,780
correct got it so this is gonna be good

1626
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:27,880
isn't it this is gonna be good I can see

1627
01:24:42,420 --> 01:24:37,820
okay so what I did is I went and I said

1628
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:42,430
David last night there was a really big

1629
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:47,110
important rest to me and now it's gone

1630
01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:49,600
do you know where it is and he said no

1631
01:24:54,030 --> 01:24:51,400
because there wasn't any box right I

1632
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:54,040
just made this up and he said no there

1633
01:24:58,380 --> 01:24:56,170
wasn't any box and I said no I saw it

1634
01:25:00,030 --> 01:24:58,390
right here was sitting on your desk how

1635
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:00,040
you saw I know you saw it because you're

1636
01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:03,730
sitting next to it and it should have

1637
01:25:08,340 --> 01:25:05,860
been delivered to me but it's not and I

1638
01:25:12,570 --> 01:25:08,350
like I need you to help me find this so

1639
01:25:13,980 --> 01:25:12,580
I could already see his his memory was

1640
01:25:16,650 --> 01:25:13,990
going like his brain circuits were going

1641
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:16,660
like oh I know that there wasn't there

1642
01:25:20,610 --> 01:25:18,510
but maybe there was but no I I

1643
01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:20,620
definitely don't remember there being a

1644
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:24,190
box right so then I went back into the

1645
01:25:28,260 --> 01:25:26,050
warehouse where I had this device and I

1646
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:28,270
said okay I'm going to run an experiment

1647
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:30,970
now and I'm going to do one thing if it

1648
01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:33,970
been if the outcome is one way and

1649
01:25:37,710 --> 01:25:35,500
another thing if the outcome is a

1650
01:25:42,890 --> 01:25:37,720
different way so I adjusted the device

1651
01:25:44,970 --> 01:25:42,900
to where there was only a 5% chance I

1652
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:44,980
shouldn't say I adjusted the device but

1653
01:25:49,620 --> 01:25:46,960
I made it such that there's a 5% chance

1654
01:25:52,290 --> 01:25:49,630
that there's one kind of outcome when I

1655
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,300
run this laser thing and a 95% chance

1656
01:25:58,260 --> 01:25:54,880
that there's another outcome when I run

1657
01:25:59,280 --> 01:25:58,270
this laser thing and I said okay if I

1658
01:26:02,670 --> 01:25:59,290
run this experiment

1659
01:26:06,060 --> 01:26:02,680
and I get the result that's 95% likely

1660
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:06,070
I'm going to go back downstairs and tell

1661
01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:09,370
David that no the box was real and you

1662
01:26:16,730 --> 01:26:13,630
need to find it however if I run the

1663
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:16,740
experiment and I get the 5% likely

1664
01:26:23,130 --> 01:26:19,840
outcome then I will go back to David and

1665
01:26:26,130 --> 01:26:23,140
say mayic oppa my faults there was no

1666
01:26:28,350 --> 01:26:26,140
box after all in other words everything

1667
01:26:30,450 --> 01:26:28,360
about your memory of reality is intact

1668
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:30,460
so you see where I'm going I did the

1669
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:34,630
experiment and I get the 5% result which

1670
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:37,450
is very interesting now this is only one

1671
01:26:45,570 --> 01:26:40,810
experiment right but to me this kind of

1672
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:45,580
means that at some level our memories

1673
01:26:49,950 --> 01:26:47,770
our beliefs about the world our beliefs

1674
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:49,960
about our very characters and what we

1675
01:26:53,730 --> 01:26:51,520
would or wouldn't permit to be in our

1676
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:53,740
lives have some sort of measurable

1677
01:26:59,610 --> 01:26:56,290
impact on the physical world in a way

1678
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:59,620
that actually has a like a sort of time

1679
01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:02,560
independent and this experiment kind of

1680
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:06,670
suggests that do you think that an

1681
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:10,570
advanced just like bats or animals that

1682
01:27:16,650 --> 01:27:12,490
are sensitive to a different light

1683
01:27:19,020 --> 01:27:16,660
spectrum right than our eyes are that an

1684
01:27:20,970 --> 01:27:19,030
advanced civilization out there with the

1685
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:20,980
full understanding of entanglement and

1686
01:27:27,870 --> 01:27:24,730
and the universe being connected at the

1687
01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:27,880
very smallest particle level all the way

1688
01:27:34,830 --> 01:27:30,270
through was sentient beings of course

1689
01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:34,840
but they could see this right that they

1690
01:27:42,060 --> 01:27:37,750
could observe this that they don't need

1691
01:27:46,380 --> 01:27:42,070
an experiment that it is part of just

1692
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:46,390
like that's you know we for us to see in

1693
01:27:51,150 --> 01:27:48,910
two different spectrums we have to have

1694
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:51,160
a special instrumentation to do that

1695
01:27:57,060 --> 01:27:54,610
whatever it may be but an animal doesn't

1696
01:27:59,460 --> 01:27:57,070
and they would wonder why we can't see

1697
01:28:03,030 --> 01:27:59,470
what they can see right you understand

1698
01:28:05,460 --> 01:28:03,040
what I'm saying do you think that an

1699
01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:05,470
advanced civilization would be able to

1700
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:09,310
observe these interactions that you're

1701
01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:12,290
talking about now that we need to go

1702
01:28:17,230 --> 01:28:15,100
with heavy instrumentation to observe I

1703
01:28:19,150 --> 01:28:17,240
think that they can observe them with

1704
01:28:26,530 --> 01:28:19,160
instruments but I think that their

1705
01:28:28,450 --> 01:28:26,540
ability to tune into let's say to tune

1706
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:28,460
into the information that's out there to

1707
01:28:31,810 --> 01:28:30,260
tune in rather to the into the meaning

1708
01:28:34,750 --> 01:28:31,820
that's out there in the universe is far

1709
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:34,760
more advanced and they can probably

1710
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:38,560
operate on a level or within a plane

1711
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:42,290
that allows this kind of communication

1712
01:28:47,530 --> 01:28:44,210
to happen in a much greater and more

1713
01:28:50,230 --> 01:28:47,540
facile way for what is for us a

1714
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,240
transcendent experience maybe with

1715
01:28:54,100 --> 01:28:52,400
another maybe even with another et is

1716
01:28:58,840 --> 01:28:54,110
actually probably quite common in movies

1717
01:29:02,320 --> 01:28:58,850
and I think that it's that that is an

1718
01:29:04,660 --> 01:29:02,330
ability but a dormant ability in an

1719
01:29:07,660 --> 01:29:04,670
advanced brain it's an ability that we

1720
01:29:09,460 --> 01:29:07,670
have but it's largely dormant are you

1721
01:29:11,170 --> 01:29:09,470
suggesting we got to take a break in 30

1722
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:11,180
seconds so you can answer this quickly

1723
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:13,490
are you suggesting that we did have that

1724
01:29:17,980 --> 01:29:15,770
ability at one time but we just let it

1725
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:17,990
go oh now we're getting into one of my

1726
01:29:23,260 --> 01:29:21,410
favorite subjects I think that I have

1727
01:29:24,190 --> 01:29:23,270
actually experienced something like that

1728
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:24,200
through quantitative

1729
01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:28,490
electroencephalography qejy system but

1730
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:31,790
yes I think that we all have it and that

1731
01:29:36,340 --> 01:29:34,250
to really understand that is to

1732
01:29:38,290 --> 01:29:36,350
understand ourselves to understand the

1733
01:29:40,780 --> 01:29:38,300
reasons for a lot of the problems in the

1734
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:40,790
world but also to understand how we can

1735
01:29:46,330 --> 01:29:43,250
start to fix ourselves so that we fix

1736
01:29:48,050 --> 01:29:46,340
the problems in the world let's take our

1737
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:48,060
break right here

1738
01:29:53,910 --> 01:30:03,729
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01:35:01,000 --> 01:34:57,460
right before the break talking about

1826
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:01,010
what what may be reactivated in our

1827
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:03,920
brains I want to stay focused on that

1828
01:35:10,540 --> 01:35:08,449
because today the trend is the opposite

1829
01:35:15,490 --> 01:35:10,550
and continuing that way we have cell

1830
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:15,500
phones right it's replacing our brains

1831
01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:17,330
aren't getting exercised anymore

1832
01:35:21,610 --> 01:35:19,510
we don't need to remember phone numbers

1833
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:21,620
directions in fact we don't have to know

1834
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:22,449
anything

1835
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:25,690
Wikipedia's just to click away right and

1836
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:29,770
our dependency on that having the world

1837
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:32,090
literally at your fingertips with the

1838
01:35:39,459 --> 01:35:35,690
cell phone is making us really really

1839
01:35:42,220 --> 01:35:39,469
lazy and our our brains I can't remember

1840
01:35:48,430 --> 01:35:42,230
anything anymore right because I don't

1841
01:35:51,490 --> 01:35:48,440
have to yes in fact I would go a step

1842
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:51,500
further and say that it's forcing the

1843
01:35:55,540 --> 01:35:53,150
seed of our consciousness it's forcing

1844
01:35:59,740 --> 01:35:55,550
the way that our brain works to work in

1845
01:36:03,970 --> 01:35:59,750
ways that is not congruent with our

1846
01:36:06,250 --> 01:36:03,980
personal growth you know the way that

1847
01:36:09,939 --> 01:36:06,260
the brain is divided is it's divided

1848
01:36:12,399 --> 01:36:09,949
into different physical lobes right

1849
01:36:14,050 --> 01:36:12,409
you've got the frontal lobes and you've

1850
01:36:15,970 --> 01:36:14,060
got the parietal and the reader lobes

1851
01:36:16,990 --> 01:36:15,980
let's just say view about the front part

1852
01:36:20,830 --> 01:36:17,000
of the brain in the back part of the

1853
01:36:22,899 --> 01:36:20,840
brain okay the back part of the brain is

1854
01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:22,909
the part of the brain that contains our

1855
01:36:29,110 --> 01:36:27,409
memories I'm going to be sort of using

1856
01:36:30,850 --> 01:36:29,120
generalizations here but the back part

1857
01:36:33,490 --> 01:36:30,860
of the brain is the kind of the brain

1858
01:36:35,770 --> 01:36:33,500
that's concerned with scripts this is

1859
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:35,780
how things are this is what this is this

1860
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:37,340
is what that is

1861
01:36:41,229 --> 01:36:38,960
this is Who I am this

1862
01:36:43,630 --> 01:36:41,239
is the story of me this is the story of

1863
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:43,640
my co-workers of my family this is what

1864
01:36:47,620 --> 01:36:45,650
wrong this person did to me this is what

1865
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:47,630
long that person does to me this is

1866
01:36:50,770 --> 01:36:49,040
everything that I think of is my

1867
01:36:53,130 --> 01:36:50,780
personality is contained in here right

1868
01:36:55,690 --> 01:36:53,140
now

1869
01:36:58,180 --> 01:36:55,700
human beings are unique from animals in

1870
01:37:00,450 --> 01:36:58,190
the sense that we have a frontal lobe we

1871
01:37:05,170 --> 01:37:00,460
have particularly a preferential cortex

1872
01:37:07,060 --> 01:37:05,180
but it's not on and by on I mean it's

1873
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:07,070
not receiving the kind of blood and

1874
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:09,650
electrical activity that the back parts

1875
01:37:13,660 --> 01:37:11,690
the rest of the brain is receiving the

1876
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:13,670
ones that are constantly illuminating

1877
01:37:17,740 --> 01:37:15,920
going over the fight that you had six

1878
01:37:21,340 --> 01:37:17,750
years ago imagining what you'd say to

1879
01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:21,350
this person feeling like a victim living

1880
01:37:26,590 --> 01:37:23,510
in fear all of the stuff that's just

1881
01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:26,600
this endless script of you know memories

1882
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:30,350
and feelings that are not reality or may

1883
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:32,450
not be reality what's happening in the

1884
01:37:40,420 --> 01:37:37,130
back of our brain so most people my most

1885
01:37:41,979 --> 01:37:40,430
I mean like 99.97% of people are in

1886
01:37:44,110 --> 01:37:41,989
what's called the state of brain

1887
01:37:46,270 --> 01:37:44,120
reversal that means that the back part

1888
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:46,280
is activated and the frontal lobe is not

1889
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:49,730
now the frontal lobe is like the light

1890
01:37:56,979 --> 01:37:52,370
of the brain it's the witnessing part

1891
01:37:59,680 --> 01:37:56,989
it's it's the executive function you

1892
01:38:02,350 --> 01:37:59,690
know the the phrase be present you'd be

1893
01:38:06,190 --> 01:38:02,360
here now okay now if you were to look at

1894
01:38:08,140 --> 01:38:06,200
the EEG s or the brain scans of people

1895
01:38:10,300 --> 01:38:08,150
who have been meditating for thirty

1896
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:10,310
forty years who have achieved what we

1897
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:11,810
would call enlightenment who are very

1898
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:15,050
present the front part is awake and the

1899
01:38:19,209 --> 01:38:18,050
back part is asleep okay there's

1900
01:38:21,430 --> 01:38:19,219
actually two things that are very

1901
01:38:23,380 --> 01:38:21,440
interesting among enlightened the brains

1902
01:38:25,930 --> 01:38:23,390
of enlightened people one is the the

1903
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:25,940
frontal lobes are awake and that part is

1904
01:38:30,700 --> 01:38:27,920
asleep and two is the predominance of

1905
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:30,710
this type of electrical activity called

1906
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:34,810
in gamma we will get into that later so

1907
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:37,520
when you start to learn meditation they

1908
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:40,930
teach you these bizarre sounding

1909
01:38:46,900 --> 01:38:44,330
techniques to essentially become present

1910
01:38:49,060 --> 01:38:46,910
you know you start witnessing you learn

1911
01:38:51,220 --> 01:38:49,070
to start witnessing the the content of

1912
01:38:52,250 --> 01:38:51,230
your own mind and you realize just how

1913
01:38:54,609 --> 01:38:52,260
much of a nightmare it

1914
01:38:57,740 --> 01:38:54,619
right and how it's just never stopping

1915
01:38:59,930 --> 01:38:57,750
so if you have the Satnam or the

1916
01:39:02,089 --> 01:38:59,940
spiritual discipline to sit and meditate

1917
01:39:05,660 --> 01:39:02,099
for 30 years you can reach the state

1918
01:39:07,970 --> 01:39:05,670
where you can turn off those scripts and

1919
01:39:10,009 --> 01:39:07,980
you can turn on real presence and the

1920
01:39:12,649 --> 01:39:10,019
frontal lobe is where you see things

1921
01:39:14,779 --> 01:39:12,659
clearly you can see things as they are

1922
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:14,789
not as the scripts in your mind would

1923
01:39:22,129 --> 01:39:19,679
have you believe they are so I don't

1924
01:39:25,279 --> 01:39:22,139
have time to meditate for 30 years in

1925
01:39:29,629 --> 01:39:25,289
the game at least I didn't write but I

1926
01:39:31,819 --> 01:39:29,639
was fortunate enough to meet a in 2006

1927
01:39:36,879 --> 01:39:31,829
this was a long time ago now it was it

1928
01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:36,889
was 20 or 19 when I met him but he was a

1929
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:40,409
ug practitioner helped him to treat kids

1930
01:39:46,189 --> 01:39:44,489
with abd attention problems ADHD and we

1931
01:39:47,859 --> 01:39:46,199
had a fascinating conversation about the

1932
01:39:50,029 --> 01:39:47,869
relationship between the brain and

1933
01:39:52,069 --> 01:39:50,039
subjective experience of spirituality

1934
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:52,079
you know energy like that kinds of

1935
01:39:55,129 --> 01:39:53,130
things and he says you know I've been

1936
01:39:59,180 --> 01:39:55,139
working on what I'm calling

1937
01:40:01,040 --> 01:39:59,190
neurotheology where I'm looking at the

1938
01:40:04,279 --> 01:40:01,050
brains of people that are enlightened

1939
01:40:06,379 --> 01:40:04,289
and I'm getting normal people and I'm

1940
01:40:08,779 --> 01:40:06,389
putting these this equipment on their

1941
01:40:11,899 --> 01:40:08,789
heads and I'm trying to get them to

1942
01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:11,909
reproduce those brain states so that we

1943
01:40:15,859 --> 01:40:13,320
can speed up the process of

1944
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:15,869
enlightenment and of course I was hooked

1945
01:40:20,839 --> 01:40:18,480
I was like yes I want that so I was

1946
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:20,849
lucky enough to be I wouldn't say his

1947
01:40:25,549 --> 01:40:22,650
guinea pig but to be one of the first

1948
01:40:28,279 --> 01:40:25,559
people to try this to try to get my

1949
01:40:32,750 --> 01:40:28,289
brain to produce the types of patterns

1950
01:40:35,359 --> 01:40:32,760
that these folks are producing now

1951
01:40:37,850 --> 01:40:35,369
normally without feedback this is going

1952
01:40:41,149 --> 01:40:37,860
to take 30 years Wright's intense

1953
01:40:43,549 --> 01:40:41,159
discipline but with feedback things take

1954
01:40:45,709 --> 01:40:43,559
a matter of hours so that is feedback

1955
01:40:47,060 --> 01:40:45,719
well feedback for your brain is just

1956
01:40:49,729 --> 01:40:47,070
letting you know that you're doing

1957
01:40:51,859 --> 01:40:49,739
you're doing it right so you sit in this

1958
01:40:54,049 --> 01:40:51,869
chair and this chair has the ability to

1959
01:40:56,060 --> 01:40:54,059
vibrate and you hold this pillow that

1960
01:40:58,220 --> 01:40:56,070
can also vibrate and you have headphones

1961
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:58,230
that play a sound back into your ears

1962
01:41:03,649 --> 01:41:00,239
and then your head is covered with these

1963
01:41:05,700 --> 01:41:03,659
electrodes now what you're instructed to

1964
01:41:07,470 --> 01:41:05,710
do is to try to

1965
01:41:09,180 --> 01:41:07,480
wake up the frontal lobe now we have no

1966
01:41:12,330 --> 01:41:09,190
way of knowing what that means at first

1967
01:41:16,170 --> 01:41:12,340
right so you sit there and you just try

1968
01:41:18,209 --> 01:41:16,180
to do stuff in your brain you know you

1969
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:18,219
can take the script so you know be

1970
01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:21,250
present to be still whatever but

1971
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:23,590
eventually through doing it right or

1972
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:25,690
just by chance there's going to be lit a

1973
01:41:29,580 --> 01:41:27,280
spark of electrical activity in your

1974
01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:29,590
frontal lobe and then the chera vibrate

1975
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:31,870
the sounds will go off in your

1976
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:34,960
headphones and you'll feel through

1977
01:41:39,959 --> 01:41:36,400
feedback that you're doing it right and

1978
01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:39,969
you'll go aha that's the type of state

1979
01:41:43,229 --> 01:41:41,500
that my brain should be producing and

1980
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:43,239
then you can zero it in and you can

1981
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:45,010
learn it immediately once the brain has

1982
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:46,930
a feedback man it can learn stuff so

1983
01:41:50,670 --> 01:41:47,770
fast

1984
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:50,680
so can you did you eventually just light

1985
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:54,130
up like a hundred watt bulb right were

1986
01:41:59,610 --> 01:41:57,130
you able to do that I did and it was

1987
01:42:02,640 --> 01:41:59,620
unbelievable it was it was the most

1988
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:02,650
profound experience of my life for a

1989
01:42:08,010 --> 01:42:05,650
number of reasons but the I I did if

1990
01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:08,020
this was two weeks twice a day for one

1991
01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:10,870
hour so I would go the first day I got

1992
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:13,420
there I I did it was in the morning I

1993
01:42:18,810 --> 01:42:15,520
just got a fresh night of sleep put the

1994
01:42:21,090 --> 01:42:18,820
electrodes on I did one hour and I went

1995
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:21,100
home and I fell asleep for the rest of

1996
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:23,530
the day because my brain had been

1997
01:42:29,729 --> 01:42:27,250
literally rewiring itself in such a

1998
01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:29,739
significant way that I had to go and

1999
01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:31,270
fall asleep it's like learning Chinese

2000
01:42:36,990 --> 01:42:34,510
in an hour and the first week is pretty

2001
01:42:39,690 --> 01:42:37,000
miserable because when you're starting

2002
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:39,700
to wake up the brain you're reliving

2003
01:42:45,930 --> 01:42:43,270
traumatic emotions that were locked away

2004
01:42:47,940 --> 01:42:45,940
in your brain I can only imagine I can

2005
01:42:51,950 --> 01:42:47,950
only imagine you're probably walking

2006
01:42:54,900 --> 01:42:51,960
around now you'd have to turn it off

2007
01:42:57,930 --> 01:42:54,910
yeah you turned it on now you've got to

2008
01:43:02,610 --> 01:42:57,940
control it and because once the

2009
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:02,620
activation happens it it I can the brain

2010
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:03,670
isn't used to it

2011
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:06,489
right that's right and it doesn't want

2012
01:43:10,020 --> 01:43:07,900
to be used to it because fueling those

2013
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:10,030
things and the brain feels bad and so it

2014
01:43:14,459 --> 01:43:12,850
stops using it and every part of our

2015
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:14,469
brain is connected throughout our body

2016
01:43:18,189 --> 01:43:16,570
right throughout the innervation of our

2017
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:18,199
nervous system to our organs

2018
01:43:23,739 --> 01:43:21,110
our heart and these things intersect at

2019
01:43:27,009 --> 01:43:23,749
at what people typically call the

2020
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:27,019
chakras right so when you can start to

2021
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:30,800
through various practices release - we

2022
01:43:35,379 --> 01:43:32,570
really wake in little parts of your

2023
01:43:38,350 --> 01:43:35,389
brain that had been walled off there's a

2024
01:43:42,089 --> 01:43:38,360
corresponding feeling in your body of of

2025
01:43:46,209 --> 01:43:42,099
what we call energy and over release and

2026
01:43:47,979 --> 01:43:46,219
of things like gratitude and and just

2027
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:47,989
will be some relaxation that can that

2028
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:51,170
can overcome us and and as you're doing

2029
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:53,119
that you're reliving all of these things

2030
01:43:57,160 --> 01:43:55,489
that that are like little traumas that

2031
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:57,170
you totally forgot about I mean I had a

2032
01:44:01,959 --> 01:43:59,360
notebook that I filled out cover to

2033
01:44:04,419 --> 01:44:01,969
cover writing as fast as I could after

2034
01:44:07,299 --> 01:44:04,429
each of these sessions of just all of

2035
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:07,309
these negative feelings and experiences

2036
01:44:16,540 --> 01:44:11,119
that had come to characterize me now

2037
01:44:19,810 --> 01:44:16,550
what what did you learn did you is are

2038
01:44:25,689 --> 01:44:19,820
you controlling do we control our brains

2039
01:44:28,689 --> 01:44:25,699
or are our brains controlling us that's

2040
01:44:32,049 --> 01:44:28,699
the question so unless your frontal lobe

2041
01:44:33,759 --> 01:44:32,059
is awake our brains are controlling us

2042
01:44:38,469 --> 01:44:33,769
we're gonna live in this nightmare

2043
01:44:41,169 --> 01:44:38,479
script of fear and reactivity and it's

2044
01:44:42,609 --> 01:44:41,179
going to our sympathetic nervous system

2045
01:44:44,140 --> 01:44:42,619
is going to be on all the time which is

2046
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:44,150
going to cause disease we're going to

2047
01:44:47,169 --> 01:44:45,530
feel nothing but stress it's going to

2048
01:44:49,359 --> 01:44:47,179
turn into cancer it's going to turn you

2049
01:44:51,219 --> 01:44:49,369
know all these things but if you can

2050
01:44:54,910 --> 01:44:51,229
wake up the frontal lobe that front part

2051
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:54,920
of the brain and witness what the rest

2052
01:45:00,549 --> 01:44:57,050
of your brain is doing you can start to

2053
01:45:04,180 --> 01:45:00,559
work through those reopen those parts of

2054
01:45:06,069 --> 01:45:04,190
the brain relax the weight will be

2055
01:45:08,379 --> 01:45:06,079
lifted off and now you'll actually be

2056
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:08,389
driving the car of yourself you won't be

2057
01:45:14,140 --> 01:45:10,249
sitting in the back seat going oh my god

2058
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:14,150
you know and this is what this is what

2059
01:45:18,489 --> 01:45:16,249
enlightenment is this is what the

2060
01:45:20,020 --> 01:45:18,499
Buddhists call Diamond consciousness or

2061
01:45:23,229 --> 01:45:20,030
Krishna consciousness in the Hindu

2062
01:45:27,219 --> 01:45:23,239
tradition all these different names you

2063
01:45:29,739 --> 01:45:27,229
know even once you've gone through and

2064
01:45:31,900 --> 01:45:29,749
kind of like opened up these these

2065
01:45:33,490 --> 01:45:31,910
otherwise dormant parts of your brain

2066
01:45:34,990 --> 01:45:33,500
a couple of interesting things happens

2067
01:45:36,820 --> 01:45:35,000
you start to produce this frequency

2068
01:45:39,100 --> 01:45:36,830
called gamma which is a really high

2069
01:45:40,780 --> 01:45:39,110
frequency 40 Hertz and above and

2070
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:40,790
scientists thought that it wasn't

2071
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:42,530
possible to go that like cells couldn't

2072
01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:44,690
fire that fast but our equipment now is

2073
01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:46,450
capable of measuring these things and

2074
01:45:51,730 --> 01:45:49,070
gamma is a binding frequency it makes

2075
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:51,740
the whole brain in in a split-second

2076
01:45:55,030 --> 01:45:53,330
operate kind of like a single neuron

2077
01:45:59,230 --> 01:45:55,040
there's this unity throughout the whole

2078
01:46:02,020 --> 01:45:59,240
thing and there's a corresponding sort

2079
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,030
of electric energy sensation that runs

2080
01:46:08,410 --> 01:46:03,920
up your spinal cord to sound familiar

2081
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:08,420
right that's the Kundalini stuff I think

2082
01:46:13,900 --> 01:46:10,490
this is why in in the Western tradition

2083
01:46:15,670 --> 01:46:13,910
you have Jesus being 33 years old and

2084
01:46:18,250 --> 01:46:15,680
being enlightened 33 is the number of

2085
01:46:20,230 --> 01:46:18,260
vertebrae that we have from the base of

2086
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:20,240
the spine up into the brain

2087
01:46:25,540 --> 01:46:21,770
you see these enlightened characters

2088
01:46:26,860 --> 01:46:25,550
with this this glow sort of around their

2089
01:46:28,270 --> 01:46:26,870
head I mean there's there's multiple

2090
01:46:32,020 --> 01:46:28,280
meanings to all of this but I think this

2091
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:32,030
is one of them and so it was profound to

2092
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:34,490
me because I realized that I was not

2093
01:46:38,890 --> 01:46:36,050
awake I thought it was but it was like

2094
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:38,900
waking up from being awake and that this

2095
01:46:42,670 --> 01:46:41,090
is the state of virtually everyone this

2096
01:46:45,310 --> 01:46:42,680
is in fact therefore the state of the

2097
01:46:47,380 --> 01:46:45,320
world were operating from these these

2098
01:46:49,870 --> 01:46:47,390
scripts which really control us we think

2099
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:49,880
we're in control but we're not but it

2100
01:46:53,380 --> 01:46:51,410
also means that we can wake up from it

2101
01:46:55,420 --> 01:46:53,390
and we can start to bring in real

2102
01:46:58,510 --> 01:46:55,430
rational thought and dispassionate

2103
01:47:02,140 --> 01:46:58,520
thinking and all these virtues that

2104
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:02,150
characterize an enlightened person by by

2105
01:47:08,010 --> 01:47:05,210
working on our brain now previously that

2106
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:08,020
took 30 years of sitting in in a cave

2107
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:11,650
but with Q EEG and neurofeedback

2108
01:47:16,150 --> 01:47:13,970
we've literally talking about speeding

2109
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:16,160
up the process of enlightenment are you

2110
01:47:21,190 --> 01:47:19,610
familiar with the meeting with the Dalai

2111
01:47:26,590 --> 01:47:21,200
Lama and the Russian Science Academy

2112
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:26,600
that took place back in 2017 okay

2113
01:47:32,010 --> 01:47:28,610
well you can look that up and go and

2114
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:32,020
listen to the discussion that they have

2115
01:47:39,820 --> 01:47:35,600
it's it's deep it's multi-layered but

2116
01:47:43,089 --> 01:47:39,830
it's a it's nearly exactly what we are

2117
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:43,099
talking about right now and that is

2118
01:47:48,839 --> 01:47:46,159
you know what is the brains purpose is

2119
01:47:52,089 --> 01:47:48,849
this something that we are in control of

2120
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:52,099
consciously or is the brain literally

2121
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:54,650
running us and we're just responding to

2122
01:48:01,779 --> 01:47:57,280
it and and the deep philosophical

2123
01:48:05,950 --> 01:48:01,789
questions that come off of that and I

2124
01:48:10,029 --> 01:48:05,960
would say that the the Russian science

2125
01:48:14,319 --> 01:48:10,039
academies approach to understanding the

2126
01:48:16,509 --> 01:48:14,329
brain is way out in front of like real

2127
01:48:20,830 --> 01:48:16,519
Western science and I'm talking about

2128
01:48:23,169 --> 01:48:20,840
west of west of the Soviet Union and

2129
01:48:26,500 --> 01:48:23,179
Russia the Soviet Union I just said it

2130
01:48:28,540 --> 01:48:26,510
and dated myself but they are pushing

2131
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:28,550
those boundaries and it's something that

2132
01:48:36,759 --> 01:48:31,760
you should go and listen to it's and and

2133
01:48:40,180 --> 01:48:36,769
the Dalai Lama's answers and opinions I

2134
01:48:44,049 --> 01:48:40,190
should say in these conversations are

2135
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:44,059
very deep and these considerations of

2136
01:48:49,419 --> 01:48:46,489
what the brain is and consciousness and

2137
01:48:53,529 --> 01:48:49,429
trying to understand it is is something

2138
01:48:59,890 --> 01:48:53,539
that is being explored out there and our

2139
01:49:02,200 --> 01:48:59,900
side we we were were reticent and why do

2140
01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:02,210
you think that is that we don't want to

2141
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:05,329
go I understand no way you know the

2142
01:49:12,310 --> 01:49:08,090
Institute of noetic Sciences and and and

2143
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,320
Dean Radin and others that are are

2144
01:49:17,859 --> 01:49:14,719
studying this that's one thing but out

2145
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:17,869
in the mainstream here in the United

2146
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:22,130
States it's it's something that I why is

2147
01:49:29,919 --> 01:49:26,690
that the interest isn't there well I was

2148
01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:29,929
worried about why the the Russians seem

2149
01:49:34,060 --> 01:49:32,510
to be so far ahead or at least coming

2150
01:49:37,959 --> 01:49:34,070
from a different angle with respect to

2151
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:37,969
the their approach to science them all

2152
01:49:48,009 --> 01:49:41,360
of them all of it telekinesis yeah all

2153
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:48,019
of the sciences remote-viewing ESP all

2154
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:50,690
all of the things that we consider over

2155
01:49:57,009 --> 01:49:53,650
here to be fringe right

2156
01:50:01,209 --> 01:49:57,019
is is something that they take very very

2157
01:50:04,419 --> 01:50:01,219
serious over there when the Wall fell

2158
01:50:07,089 --> 01:50:04,429
and our astronauts met with their

2159
01:50:09,700 --> 01:50:07,099
cosmonauts and compared notes there was

2160
01:50:11,290 --> 01:50:09,710
a moment where it was revealed that we

2161
01:50:12,910 --> 01:50:11,300
had spent a couple million dollars on

2162
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:12,920
developing a pen that would write in

2163
01:50:16,750 --> 01:50:15,170
zero gravity and it was actually a

2164
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:16,760
really difficult engineering problem and

2165
01:50:21,609 --> 01:50:18,650
so you asked their scientists how they

2166
01:50:25,779 --> 01:50:21,619
saw the zero gravity pen and they said

2167
01:50:29,370 --> 01:50:25,789
well we just used a pencil and I think

2168
01:50:31,779 --> 01:50:29,380
that the the pragmatism brought by a

2169
01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:31,789
difficult economic environment might

2170
01:50:40,060 --> 01:50:36,110
have led them to to not be politically

2171
01:50:42,069 --> 01:50:40,070
prejudice against investigating certain

2172
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:42,079
aspects of human capability certain

2173
01:50:47,500 --> 01:50:44,690
aspects of science as was the case in

2174
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:47,510
the institutions here in the rest and

2175
01:50:52,509 --> 01:50:50,320
they found maybe that this is a

2176
01:50:54,729 --> 01:50:52,519
competitive advantage that the West

2177
01:50:57,629 --> 01:50:54,739
isn't looking at and we can we can maybe

2178
01:51:00,009 --> 01:50:57,639
achieve and do things on the cheap by

2179
01:51:02,859 --> 01:51:00,019
kind of leaning into consciousness

2180
01:51:06,669 --> 01:51:02,869
leaning into plasma alternative physics

2181
01:51:09,009 --> 01:51:06,679
this kind of thing now okay so let's

2182
01:51:12,330 --> 01:51:09,019
let's let's get back to where we were

2183
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:12,340
when we are dealing with this and that

2184
01:51:21,220 --> 01:51:16,880
the untapped portions of the brain that

2185
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:21,230
I I definitely believe they okay I

2186
01:51:28,209 --> 01:51:23,449
brought up the cell phone but let me say

2187
01:51:30,669 --> 01:51:28,219
this we probably started to lose that

2188
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:30,679
part of our brain earlier than we

2189
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:34,610
thought there's no question that the

2190
01:51:41,169 --> 01:51:38,690
ancient Egyptians and and and those

2191
01:51:43,779 --> 01:51:41,179
societies back then three four thousand

2192
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,789
years ago probably understood and used

2193
01:51:48,490 --> 01:51:45,679
portions of the brain that we don't use

2194
01:51:50,830 --> 01:51:48,500
to today and we can even probably back

2195
01:51:54,490 --> 01:51:50,840
up before that but let me say this if

2196
01:51:57,819 --> 01:51:54,500
you go to the plains of Africa where

2197
01:52:04,270 --> 01:51:57,829
you've got tribes of ancient man running

2198
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:04,280
around your skill set wasn't sitting

2199
01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:06,480
around contemplating physics

2200
01:52:11,150 --> 01:52:09,030
and are we alone in the universe that

2201
01:52:14,030 --> 01:52:11,160
wasn't what you applied to your brain on

2202
01:52:19,070 --> 01:52:14,040
you apply to your brain on how to outrun

2203
01:52:23,210 --> 01:52:19,080
a carnivorous beasts that that was

2204
01:52:25,790 --> 01:52:23,220
survival that was intelligence right to

2205
01:52:28,820 --> 01:52:25,800
keep your family alive not sitting

2206
01:52:33,229 --> 01:52:28,830
around trying to figure out chemistry

2207
01:52:35,540 --> 01:52:33,239
and how to grow really cool wheat that's

2208
01:52:40,580 --> 01:52:35,550
not what you understand what I'm saying

2209
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:40,590
that that segment of society was really

2210
01:52:46,820 --> 01:52:43,440
gen Devine you needed to provide and

2211
01:52:53,330 --> 01:52:46,830
survive that was your goal every single

2212
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:53,340
day right so so today we have the

2213
01:52:59,450 --> 01:52:55,530
ability now to not worry about

2214
01:53:02,870 --> 01:52:59,460
carnivorous beasts all right and we can

2215
01:53:05,150 --> 01:53:02,880
now go back and focus on the other

2216
01:53:08,090 --> 01:53:05,160
things to advance society and of course

2217
01:53:09,770 --> 01:53:08,100
the use in the application of our mind

2218
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:09,780
and our consciousness and what's going

2219
01:53:18,530 --> 01:53:12,570
on with that gray mass inside of our

2220
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:18,540
skulls exactly and yet here we are all

2221
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:20,489
of us stuck in the fight-or-flight

2222
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:23,970
response and is it is that any movie

2223
01:53:29,690 --> 01:53:25,890
that we have such chronic conditions

2224
01:53:32,270 --> 01:53:29,700
plaguing our society yeah I think

2225
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:32,280
understanding this is really the key to

2226
01:53:39,229 --> 01:53:36,239
start making real change in our lives

2227
01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:39,239
and in the world you know we have and

2228
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:41,670
I'm not trying to marginalize spiritual

2229
01:53:50,350 --> 01:53:47,250
practice by reducing chakras to to parts

2230
01:53:55,340 --> 01:53:50,360
of the brain and the nervous system but

2231
01:53:57,260 --> 01:53:55,350
this stuff is real like if if we really

2232
01:53:59,630 --> 01:53:57,270
understood the role of our brain in

2233
01:54:04,280 --> 01:53:59,640
shaping our own reality and our internal

2234
01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:04,290
experience in affecting our bodies as we

2235
01:54:10,760 --> 01:54:07,350
should then we start to know what the

2236
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:10,770
real problems are in our lives and more

2237
01:54:14,690 --> 01:54:12,810
importantly we can know how to fix them

2238
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:14,700
fixing these things there's actually a

2239
01:54:25,010 --> 01:54:18,090
lot more easier a lot easier than it

2240
01:54:27,890 --> 01:54:25,020
seems you know for I was listening to an

2241
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,900
an Indian mystic talked about he was

2242
01:54:30,979 --> 01:54:29,520
asked a similar question he was asked

2243
01:54:33,620 --> 01:54:30,989
what is the state of humanity and he

2244
01:54:35,930 --> 01:54:33,630
said Humanity is stuck in the first

2245
01:54:38,209 --> 01:54:35,940
three chakras okay that's the

2246
01:54:41,839 --> 01:54:38,219
reproductive organs our desire to

2247
01:54:46,490 --> 01:54:41,849
reproduce that's the ability for us to

2248
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:46,500
digest food right the things that sort

2249
01:55:00,140 --> 01:54:57,260
these and that's true but these things

2250
01:55:03,169 --> 01:55:00,150
all have their origins not necessarily

2251
01:55:07,550 --> 01:55:03,179
in past life karma although that could

2252
01:55:09,229 --> 01:55:07,560
be a part of it that in a brain that

2253
01:55:12,439 --> 01:55:09,239
isn't functioning the way it's supposed

2254
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:12,449
to through living in a state of social

2255
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:16,530
fear food basically not having a user's

2256
01:55:20,300 --> 01:55:18,210
manual for how to let these things go

2257
01:55:22,930 --> 01:55:20,310
now one of the first things that happen

2258
01:55:25,399 --> 01:55:22,940
when people undergo neurofeedback and

2259
01:55:30,169 --> 01:55:25,409
they start waking up parts of their

2260
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:30,179
brain is that they start with their

2261
01:55:35,810 --> 01:55:32,570
nervous system they start letting go of

2262
01:55:37,939 --> 01:55:35,820
the areas in the lower part of the spine

2263
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:37,949
which correspond to those first three

2264
01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:39,599
chakras right right

2265
01:55:46,970 --> 01:55:42,510
so yeah I mean I think this is really

2266
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:46,980
our challenge you know when you through

2267
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:49,920
things like talk therapy and and yoga or

2268
01:55:57,379 --> 01:55:53,280
meditation some extent people feel like

2269
01:55:59,300 --> 01:55:57,389
their third heart chakra opening well

2270
01:56:01,100 --> 01:55:59,310
when you start letting go of their

2271
01:56:06,290 --> 01:56:01,110
various parts of the like the lower

2272
01:56:08,359 --> 01:56:06,300
parts of the the spinal cord then you

2273
01:56:10,430 --> 01:56:08,369
start kind of releasing other things as

2274
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:10,440
well and when you get to the part of the

2275
01:56:14,570 --> 01:56:12,330
middle of the body that corresponds to

2276
01:56:17,660 --> 01:56:14,580
the heart chakra you have these these

2277
01:56:19,609 --> 01:56:17,670
feelings of just incredible love and

2278
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:19,619
gratitude and all the stuff that the

2279
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:21,090
Mystics have been telling us we need to

2280
01:56:27,390 --> 01:56:23,130
bring into our lives that that in fact

2281
01:56:30,270 --> 01:56:27,400
represent levels of enlightenment

2282
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:30,280
the last thing that characterized many

2283
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:32,320
of these awakened brains is something

2284
01:56:37,230 --> 01:56:34,480
called gamma and when you have the

2285
01:56:40,050 --> 01:56:37,240
frontal lobe on the back part of the

2286
01:56:42,420 --> 01:56:40,060
brain you know that holds your karma if

2287
01:56:44,340 --> 01:56:42,430
you will these endless scripts if you

2288
01:56:46,830 --> 01:56:44,350
have that quiet and then you have the

2289
01:56:50,430 --> 01:56:46,840
the gamma sort of operating it becomes

2290
01:56:53,220 --> 01:56:50,440
very dominant you will have a full-blown

2291
01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:53,230
mystical experience as I did I felt that

2292
01:57:00,180 --> 01:56:57,130
I was my body was perfectly balanced and

2293
01:57:03,090 --> 01:57:00,190
coherent that I was aspected in multiple

2294
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:03,100
dimensions of consciousness that there

2295
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:04,960
was something like a light that was

2296
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:08,890
pouring into me and that light was an

2297
01:57:15,210 --> 01:57:11,920
intelligent kind of feeling it seemed as

2298
01:57:17,490 --> 01:57:15,220
though I was finally connecting with

2299
01:57:20,190 --> 01:57:17,500
something like source or a greater

2300
01:57:22,410 --> 01:57:20,200
source all of these things that are

2301
01:57:24,030 --> 01:57:22,420
perfectly neurological to an extent but

2302
01:57:26,310 --> 01:57:24,040
which we have to invoke spiritual

2303
01:57:27,210 --> 01:57:26,320
language to try to to convey what it's

2304
01:57:29,730 --> 01:57:27,220
like on the inside

2305
01:57:33,780 --> 01:57:29,740
and when we hear somebody mentioned

2306
01:57:35,610 --> 01:57:33,790
source and you start to go there I think

2307
01:57:41,010 --> 01:57:35,620
for most people it's you know we're

2308
01:57:43,020 --> 01:57:41,020
going back to the you know 1970 1971 and

2309
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:43,030
somebody with the pyramid over the

2310
01:57:49,740 --> 01:57:45,730
waterbed in you know what I mean

2311
01:57:53,220 --> 01:57:49,750
and that's going there today when I talk

2312
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:53,230
about source and my thought process

2313
01:58:00,420 --> 01:57:56,650
through that I envisioned something much

2314
01:58:03,210 --> 01:58:00,430
more grander and it may may or may not

2315
01:58:05,460 --> 01:58:03,220
be spiritual but there must be a grand

2316
01:58:07,650 --> 01:58:05,470
intelligence to the creation of

2317
01:58:11,310 --> 01:58:07,660
everything that there is that has been

2318
01:58:14,970 --> 01:58:11,320
around forever not since the beginning

2319
01:58:17,790 --> 01:58:14,980
of the Big Bang but forever

2320
01:58:21,170 --> 01:58:17,800
beyond that that has accumulated

2321
01:58:25,470 --> 01:58:21,180
knowledge over and over and over again

2322
01:58:27,990 --> 01:58:25,480
throughout time and it could that be the

2323
01:58:31,290 --> 01:58:28,000
spirituality that people are calling

2324
01:58:34,820 --> 01:58:31,300
source they just don't know what it may

2325
01:58:37,350 --> 01:58:34,830
be but source is the easy word to use

2326
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:37,360
source is a great word

2327
01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:39,610
which lets you have these experiences

2328
01:58:44,130 --> 01:58:42,250
through however means you have them and

2329
01:58:46,460 --> 01:58:44,140
I think you you know what it feels like

2330
01:58:48,570 --> 01:58:46,470
it becomes familiar to you and

2331
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:48,580
simultaneously you realize that all of

2332
01:58:54,390 --> 01:58:51,810
the explanations that you had heard and

2333
01:58:58,110 --> 01:58:54,400
all the ways in which you'd imagined

2334
01:59:01,230 --> 01:58:58,120
this source to feel like well or

2335
01:59:03,450 --> 01:59:01,240
inadequate it was it was close but it

2336
01:59:05,850 --> 01:59:03,460
wasn't right quite the thing that people

2337
01:59:08,610 --> 01:59:05,860
were talking about so now you know we

2338
01:59:10,110 --> 01:59:08,620
can actually know it and yeah I mean I

2339
01:59:13,190 --> 01:59:10,120
think this is sort of at the root of

2340
01:59:16,260 --> 01:59:13,200
spirituality and this is this is to

2341
01:59:18,150 --> 01:59:16,270
encounter something like the the nature

2342
01:59:20,510 --> 01:59:18,160
of consciousness or the pervasiveness of

2343
01:59:24,450 --> 01:59:20,520
consciousness the interconnectedness

2344
01:59:26,430 --> 01:59:24,460
among all things I think that it's

2345
01:59:29,340 --> 01:59:26,440
possible to start to actually experience

2346
01:59:35,310 --> 01:59:29,350
these things directly and all it takes

2347
01:59:37,380 --> 01:59:35,320
is just basically just waking up to our

2348
01:59:40,650 --> 01:59:37,390
own potential you know we have all of

2349
01:59:43,710 --> 01:59:40,660
the equipment in our nervous system to

2350
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:43,720
experience these things and now we have

2351
01:59:48,060 --> 01:59:46,690
the various technologies to do it it's

2352
01:59:50,070 --> 01:59:48,070
just a matter of turning on the light

2353
01:59:54,030 --> 01:59:50,080
switch and ain't that just the human

2354
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:54,040
condition right look you know you've won

2355
02:00:01,140 --> 01:59:57,280
if you get Richard Dawkins to say I've

2356
02:00:04,950 --> 02:00:01,150
connected with source let's take a break

2357
02:00:06,150 --> 02:00:04,960
right here yes tonight Adam Curie what a

2358
02:00:10,350 --> 02:00:06,160
great conversation we're going to

2359
02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:10,360
continue and not only you know speaking

2360
02:00:17,299 --> 02:00:13,330
about consciousness the research of the

2361
02:00:21,290 --> 02:00:17,309
Russians ESP telekinesis all of that

2362
02:00:22,700 --> 02:00:21,300
but what am I thinking about we'll

2363
02:00:31,729 --> 02:00:22,710
discuss it when we come back this is

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02:00:38,370 --> 02:00:35,009
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cleanse chemicals caused by outside

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intruders from our entire digestive

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system and get this weight loss can be a

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02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:43,380
side effect and

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02:02:47,450 --> 02:02:45,450
with continued use of the tea you can

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experience clearer healthier younger

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02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:50,010
looking skin increased energy and a

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happier outlook on life so if you're

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tired of being tired

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get the life changed tea at get the tea

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calm

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you'll be glad you did

2425
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did you know that when you're on the

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02:03:07,700 --> 02:03:05,220
road with limited data or Wi-Fi

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available you can still listen to every

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minute of fade to black by just calling

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02:03:43,850 --> 02:03:39,110
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02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:43,860
you wanna know a secret I love ponies I

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02:03:49,100 --> 02:03:46,490
really love ponies I'm serious I

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02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:49,110
couldn't stay stable without poor mr.

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02:03:58,240 --> 02:03:53,010
Brooks why fade to black because you

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02:04:02,240 --> 02:04:00,080
this is fade to black

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02:04:05,900 --> 02:04:02,250
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2444
02:04:08,310 --> 02:04:05,910
radio network and K GRA the global radio

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02:04:19,729 --> 02:04:08,320
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02:04:22,109 --> 02:04:19,739
[Music]

2447
02:04:24,209 --> 02:04:22,119
welcome back fade to black I am your

2448
02:04:28,619 --> 02:04:24,219
host Jimmy Church tonight Adam Curry is

2449
02:04:31,439 --> 02:04:28,629
here tomorrow night and what did I hit

2450
02:04:33,089 --> 02:04:31,449
this button there we go tomorrow night

2451
02:04:35,509 --> 02:04:33,099
fader night open lines all night long

2452
02:04:37,949 --> 02:04:35,519
and I'm just gonna say it yes we've got

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02:04:39,989 --> 02:04:37,959
Ronnie McMullin gonna be here from life

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02:04:44,609 --> 02:04:39,999
chants T but we are going to celebrate

2455
02:04:46,439 --> 02:04:44,619
the birthday of one Kat Fleming that's

2456
02:04:49,259 --> 02:04:46,449
right that's tomorrow night tonight's

2457
02:04:52,139 --> 02:04:49,269
Adam curry now okay Adam all right now

2458
02:04:58,649 --> 02:04:52,149
let's let's let's get to the deep stuff

2459
02:05:01,739 --> 02:04:58,659
here let's go here it's one thing to

2460
02:05:05,149 --> 02:05:01,749
talk about consciousness it's another

2461
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:05,159
thing to talk about synchronicities or

2462
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:08,530
possibly reading somebody's mind or ESP

2463
02:05:16,279 --> 02:05:11,050
and and the possibility of some type of

2464
02:05:20,839 --> 02:05:16,289
communication going on but how do you

2465
02:05:25,709 --> 02:05:20,849
select somebody from your contact list

2466
02:05:28,739 --> 02:05:25,719
how do you entangle your brain with

2467
02:05:30,929 --> 02:05:28,749
somebody else's you've got a roomful of

2468
02:05:35,099 --> 02:05:30,939
people in front of you how do you pick

2469
02:05:38,069 --> 02:05:35,109
that one person without entangling all

2470
02:05:40,900 --> 02:05:38,079
of the brains in the room let alone all

2471
02:05:43,399 --> 02:05:40,910
of the brains in the universe I

2472
02:05:45,659 --> 02:05:43,409
[Laughter]

2473
02:05:46,319 --> 02:05:45,669
appreciate the easy questions yeah I

2474
02:05:50,580 --> 02:05:46,329
know I know

2475
02:05:55,020 --> 02:05:50,590
look you have to you have to be able to

2476
02:05:58,679 --> 02:05:55,030
write yeah yeah if you are if you and I

2477
02:06:00,509 --> 02:05:58,689
I love this way to look at it it's kind

2478
02:06:04,169 --> 02:06:00,519
of a metaphor but let's just say that if

2479
02:06:08,189 --> 02:06:04,179
you and I are in our starship and we are

2480
02:06:11,669 --> 02:06:08,199
heading out to Zeta Reticuli and we are

2481
02:06:14,489 --> 02:06:11,679
10 light-years away from Earth and you

2482
02:06:17,689 --> 02:06:14,499
and I need to speak back to Mission

2483
02:06:22,229 --> 02:06:17,699
Control or you need to talk to your

2484
02:06:25,619 --> 02:06:22,239
girlfriend right back on earth how do

2485
02:06:27,719 --> 02:06:25,629
you pick her out how do you find a

2486
02:06:29,690 --> 02:06:27,729
Mission Control there's a lot of brains

2487
02:06:32,220 --> 02:06:29,700
back on earth

2488
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:32,230
right how do you select somebody from

2489
02:06:40,050 --> 02:06:35,920
your contact list so that the short

2490
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:40,060
answer is intention and the slightly

2491
02:06:47,490 --> 02:06:43,930
longer answer is that consciousness is

2492
02:06:49,140 --> 02:06:47,500
not a force at least it's not a force in

2493
02:06:51,900 --> 02:06:49,150
the sense that we're used to thinking

2494
02:06:55,560 --> 02:06:51,910
about forces when we think of forces

2495
02:06:58,830 --> 02:06:55,570
which we you know assumed to be required

2496
02:07:00,360 --> 02:06:58,840
for me to pick someone or for some

2497
02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:00,370
selection to happen or for some

2498
02:07:06,210 --> 02:07:03,330
communication to transpire we think of

2499
02:07:08,250 --> 02:07:06,220
typically physical forces like electric

2500
02:07:10,770 --> 02:07:08,260
field so we imagine the consciousness

2501
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:10,780
effect is something that's emanating

2502
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:13,210
like a ring of electric fields coming

2503
02:07:19,590 --> 02:07:17,050
from our our brain and how do we know

2504
02:07:21,330 --> 02:07:19,600
that in or zoom in on the kind of person

2505
02:07:23,730 --> 02:07:21,340
or object that we want to influence them

2506
02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:23,740
of course it's going to be impossible

2507
02:07:30,540 --> 02:07:28,450
like all forces they the intensity falls

2508
02:07:34,980 --> 02:07:30,550
off as a function of the square of the

2509
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:34,990
distance between the two but the

2510
02:07:38,670 --> 02:07:37,210
consciousness seems not to be a force in

2511
02:07:42,780 --> 02:07:38,680
the sense that we're used to thinking

2512
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:42,790
about it but rather an informational

2513
02:07:49,710 --> 02:07:46,330
effect now information has properties

2514
02:07:54,120 --> 02:07:49,720
that forces don't have information

2515
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:54,130
doesn't information doesn't fall off as

2516
02:07:57,740 --> 02:07:55,840
a function of the the distance between

2517
02:08:04,950 --> 02:07:57,750
two objects

2518
02:08:06,990 --> 02:08:04,960
well yeah go ahead continue no you

2519
02:08:09,540 --> 02:08:07,000
dropped out you dropped out twice I'm

2520
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:09,550
just gonna let you know Adam so or

2521
02:08:13,650 --> 02:08:11,920
whatever and it must have been funny

2522
02:08:23,870 --> 02:08:13,660
because you were laughing but we didn't

2523
02:08:29,940 --> 02:08:23,880
hear it am I am i cutting out no not now

2524
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:29,950
okay okay good so information that were

2525
02:08:39,060 --> 02:08:33,570
used to thinking about you just cut out

2526
02:08:41,370 --> 02:08:39,070
okay let's okay okay let's actually

2527
02:08:43,110 --> 02:08:41,380
let's let's back up and do this again

2528
02:08:44,910 --> 02:08:43,120
I'll ask the question again

2529
02:08:53,250 --> 02:08:44,920
and then you can take a crack at the

2530
02:08:56,280 --> 02:08:53,260
answer so how do we target the the

2531
02:09:05,220 --> 02:08:56,290
brains how do we entangle two brains

2532
02:09:08,070 --> 02:09:05,230
together well I think it's practically

2533
02:09:11,010 --> 02:09:08,080
how you do it it's as easy as intending

2534
02:09:15,380 --> 02:09:11,020
to make some sort of contact with

2535
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:15,390
another person intent intention yeah

2536
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:20,050
intention is more informational meaning

2537
02:09:24,740 --> 02:09:22,690
that information doesn't degrade as the

2538
02:09:28,290 --> 02:09:24,750
distance between the sender and receiver

2539
02:09:30,330 --> 02:09:28,300
increases information can move backwards

2540
02:09:34,530 --> 02:09:30,340
and forwards and time it's not it's not

2541
02:09:37,290 --> 02:09:34,540
destroyed so the first step is to think

2542
02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:37,300
about the affective effects due to

2543
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:39,130
consciousness as informational effects

2544
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:40,570
which are very different than physical

2545
02:09:46,890 --> 02:09:42,880
physical forces that we're used to

2546
02:09:49,380 --> 02:09:46,900
thinking about but I kind of think that

2547
02:09:52,650 --> 02:09:49,390
there's a degree to which you and

2548
02:09:57,300 --> 02:09:52,660
somebody else share a reality bubble and

2549
02:10:00,650 --> 02:09:57,310
that that constrains what you can allow

2550
02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:00,660
into your consciousness to some extent

2551
02:10:06,690 --> 02:10:02,770
that's a little difficult to describe

2552
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:06,700
but no it's not it's not I think um I

2553
02:10:13,020 --> 02:10:09,370
think all of us could understand that in

2554
02:10:16,860 --> 02:10:13,030
that there is going to be even if it's

2555
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:16,870
just slight there is going to be a

2556
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:19,570
permanent hardwire between you and

2557
02:10:26,220 --> 02:10:22,810
somebody that you know right yes there's

2558
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:26,230
going to be some type of hardwiring that

2559
02:10:32,340 --> 02:10:28,810
is there and I understand that Dean

2560
02:10:34,260 --> 02:10:32,350
Radin said one thing to me that meant a

2561
02:10:40,370 --> 02:10:34,270
lot and I've never forgotten it

2562
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:40,380
in that most people expect grand

2563
02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:44,410
observables right obvious things you

2564
02:10:50,550 --> 02:10:47,170
know things catching on fire glasses

2565
02:10:53,700 --> 02:10:50,560
moving across the room or a car flipping

2566
02:10:55,839 --> 02:10:53,710
over you know done by the mind that

2567
02:10:59,919 --> 02:10:55,849
these changes

2568
02:11:03,310 --> 02:10:59,929
although measurable are very very very

2569
02:11:05,560 --> 02:11:03,320
small at the atomic level and that

2570
02:11:07,649 --> 02:11:05,570
stirring it's not something that you're

2571
02:11:11,200 --> 02:11:07,659
necessarily going to see but you can

2572
02:11:12,970 --> 02:11:11,210
affect it and that's probably what would

2573
02:11:16,569 --> 02:11:12,980
happen with entanglement right like a

2574
02:11:19,089 --> 02:11:16,579
little vibration like a cell phone

2575
02:11:19,510 --> 02:11:19,099
vibrating inside of your head you know

2576
02:11:23,410 --> 02:11:19,520
what I mean

2577
02:11:27,129 --> 02:11:23,420
little little movements but that would

2578
02:11:29,790 --> 02:11:27,139
indicate the connection I think that's

2579
02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:29,800
right it's certainly certainly true that

2580
02:11:34,450 --> 02:11:31,570
experiments in the laboratory

2581
02:11:37,750 --> 02:11:34,460
investigating size phenomena so psychic

2582
02:11:39,479 --> 02:11:37,760
stuff telepathy are very small in the

2583
02:11:43,169 --> 02:11:39,489
sense that they can be measured only

2584
02:11:47,490 --> 02:11:43,179
statistically but that might be enough

2585
02:11:50,379 --> 02:11:47,500
there's some remarkable research done by

2586
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:50,389
Stuart Hameroff and Sir Roger Penrose

2587
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:53,840
around microtubules microtubules are

2588
02:12:02,220 --> 02:11:58,010
these tiny little structures in in our

2589
02:12:04,390 --> 02:12:02,230
brains in in our neurons and they are

2590
02:12:07,510 --> 02:12:04,400
structurally or physically arranged such

2591
02:12:10,209 --> 02:12:07,520
that you get quantum level effects at

2592
02:12:12,609 --> 02:12:10,219
room temperature so these microtubules

2593
02:12:16,149 --> 02:12:12,619
seem to seem to be used little quantum

2594
02:12:20,200 --> 02:12:16,159
antennae that are spread throughout each

2595
02:12:23,560 --> 02:12:20,210
cell now okay so let's set that one

2596
02:12:25,959 --> 02:12:23,570
aside Hema off is an anesthesiologist

2597
02:12:28,750 --> 02:12:25,969
and it might surprise people to know

2598
02:12:32,770 --> 02:12:28,760
that the medical community doesn't know

2599
02:12:35,109 --> 02:12:32,780
how anaesthesia actually works which is

2600
02:12:36,729 --> 02:12:35,119
a little concerning but in fact we don't

2601
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:36,739
we know that if we put the gas on

2602
02:12:40,750 --> 02:12:38,960
somebody the lights go out their heart

2603
02:12:43,300 --> 02:12:40,760
still beats and everything but the

2604
02:12:44,520 --> 02:12:43,310
consciousness is totally gone and so you

2605
02:12:46,439 --> 02:12:44,530
know every year there's these

2606
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:46,449
anesthesiology conferences where they

2607
02:12:51,030 --> 02:12:49,040
debate various theories about how this

2608
02:12:54,510 --> 02:12:51,040
stuff works but in reality we don't know

2609
02:12:57,669 --> 02:12:54,520
now Hameroff suggested that maybe

2610
02:13:01,540 --> 02:12:57,679
anesthesia cuts off the connection

2611
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:01,550
between that person's brain and the rest

2612
02:13:07,419 --> 02:13:05,210
of the universe by cutting off and by

2613
02:13:08,740 --> 02:13:07,429
suppressing the microtubules now because

2614
02:13:11,340 --> 02:13:08,750
the microtubules are the

2615
02:13:14,830 --> 02:13:11,350
supposed to be quantum little devices

2616
02:13:17,650 --> 02:13:14,840
then the consciousness is basically

2617
02:13:19,510 --> 02:13:17,660
severed from being able your severing

2618
02:13:22,350 --> 02:13:19,520
the quantum connection to the rest of

2619
02:13:26,020 --> 02:13:22,360
the universe by introducing anesthesia

2620
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:26,030
so that if that's true and there's

2621
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:28,130
mounting evidence that there's really

2622
02:13:34,210 --> 02:13:31,760
something to this then consciousness is

2623
02:13:37,060 --> 02:13:34,220
not a localized phenomena produced in

2624
02:13:39,910 --> 02:13:37,070
the brain but it's really an experience

2625
02:13:43,090 --> 02:13:39,920
of an interconnected hole happening

2626
02:13:44,770 --> 02:13:43,100
through let's just call it quantum

2627
02:13:46,510 --> 02:13:44,780
entanglement at some level there has to

2628
02:13:49,630 --> 02:13:46,520
be some quantum entanglement happening

2629
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:49,640
there is there bass is there mass to

2630
02:13:59,970 --> 02:13:53,090
consciousness I don't think so

2631
02:14:03,310 --> 02:13:59,980
I think it's mass less interesting yes

2632
02:14:05,770 --> 02:14:03,320
in the reason look when you go back to

2633
02:14:12,450 --> 02:14:05,780
the obvious you know equals mc-squared

2634
02:14:15,070 --> 02:14:12,460
right if consciousness is energy and

2635
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:15,080
energy equals mass times the speed of

2636
02:14:21,670 --> 02:14:19,130
light and and what would constitute the

2637
02:14:24,640 --> 02:14:21,680
making up of consciousness because

2638
02:14:28,540 --> 02:14:24,650
wouldn't consciousness contain not only

2639
02:14:31,060 --> 02:14:28,550
our personality but our memories does

2640
02:14:34,810 --> 02:14:31,070
that travel is that part of the

2641
02:14:37,500 --> 02:14:34,820
consciousness packet right well such a

2642
02:14:42,070 --> 02:14:37,510
good question right and so in that case

2643
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:42,080
wouldn't it have mass but light doesn't

2644
02:14:49,930 --> 02:14:46,010
have mass but its energy and it doesn't

2645
02:14:52,630 --> 02:14:49,940
make any sense by the way to me no

2646
02:14:54,250 --> 02:14:52,640
because even things that we understand

2647
02:14:57,400 --> 02:14:54,260
like photons don't light light doesn't

2648
02:15:00,820 --> 02:14:57,410
seem to have mass right that messes with

2649
02:15:04,090 --> 02:15:00,830
my head so much and when we get into the

2650
02:15:06,910 --> 02:15:04,100
the debate of a wave versus a particle

2651
02:15:09,030 --> 02:15:06,920
and in light and that it's both and it

2652
02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:09,040
depends on and blah-blah-blah-blah-blah

2653
02:15:14,200 --> 02:15:11,810
right if I go and if I hear one more

2654
02:15:16,590 --> 02:15:14,210
example of the split of the slit

2655
02:15:20,170 --> 02:15:16,600
experiment my head's going to explode

2656
02:15:21,250 --> 02:15:20,180
yeah me too because although it

2657
02:15:26,200 --> 02:15:21,260
validated

2658
02:15:28,270 --> 02:15:26,210
lot of things I cannot understand if

2659
02:15:31,240 --> 02:15:28,280
equals mc-squared

2660
02:15:32,980 --> 02:15:31,250
is there and we all understand it we we

2661
02:15:36,970 --> 02:15:32,990
understand what the letters are and what

2662
02:15:38,770 --> 02:15:36,980
they mean it's part of our society right

2663
02:15:42,220 --> 02:15:38,780
as part of us it's pop culture these

2664
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:42,230
days but it doesn't answer the questions

2665
02:15:48,220 --> 02:15:45,920
to me about about light because it

2666
02:15:51,190 --> 02:15:48,230
doesn't energy have mass or wait a

2667
02:15:55,060 --> 02:15:51,200
minute is does light have energy solar

2668
02:15:59,110 --> 02:15:55,070
panels certainly frigging work right so

2669
02:16:01,570 --> 02:15:59,120
III don't understand much of this but

2670
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:01,580
when you apply all of that to what

2671
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:04,370
consciousness is because you and I are

2672
02:16:09,340 --> 02:16:07,010
talking right now there's an energy that

2673
02:16:13,240 --> 02:16:09,350
is happening right something is causing

2674
02:16:17,920 --> 02:16:13,250
us to ask questions to ponder to laugh

2675
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:17,930
and to explore that comes from energy it

2676
02:16:26,650 --> 02:16:21,650
wouldn't that have mass I it would seem

2677
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:26,660
that it it should right the e equals

2678
02:16:31,260 --> 02:16:28,730
mc-squared equation describes the

2679
02:16:33,730 --> 02:16:31,270
macroscopic world right it describes

2680
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:33,740
everything but the quantum level and it

2681
02:16:39,610 --> 02:16:37,610
describes it pretty well and the quantum

2682
02:16:40,870 --> 02:16:39,620
world we have equations for that which

2683
02:16:44,140 --> 02:16:40,880
are described very well by those

2684
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:44,150
equations and yet we've been unable in a

2685
02:16:48,700 --> 02:16:46,370
century of scientific effort to

2686
02:16:50,950 --> 02:16:48,710
reconcile those two things we have two

2687
02:16:53,260 --> 02:16:50,960
sets of books we do have two sets of

2688
02:16:55,090 --> 02:16:53,270
books and you just said but but I'm

2689
02:16:58,060 --> 02:16:55,100
gonna get the but in first so I'm gonna

2690
02:16:59,770 --> 02:16:58,070
go with the first but but you did just

2691
02:17:01,390 --> 02:16:59,780
say you answered the question you said

2692
02:17:04,650 --> 02:17:01,400
you don't think that consciousness has

2693
02:17:07,450 --> 02:17:04,660
mass is it are you equating

2694
02:17:09,970 --> 02:17:07,460
consciousness not having mass but

2695
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:09,980
obviously there must be energy there too

2696
02:17:17,560 --> 02:17:11,920
the same principles that we apply to

2697
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:17,570
light not having mass well maybe there

2698
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:18,530
isn't energy there

2699
02:17:25,300 --> 02:17:23,210
maybe it's the absence of energy maybe

2700
02:17:28,810 --> 02:17:25,310
it's the absence of any of that spectrum

2701
02:17:30,730 --> 02:17:28,820
of e equals mc-squared stuff that we

2702
02:17:32,580 --> 02:17:30,740
experience when we open up to those

2703
02:17:35,410 --> 02:17:32,590
realms

2704
02:17:38,860 --> 02:17:35,420
so you know that something that

2705
02:17:41,049 --> 02:17:38,870
something like 95% of the universe is

2706
02:17:43,419 --> 02:17:41,059
what we call dark matter which we don't

2707
02:17:46,169 --> 02:17:43,429
even know what that is it just we can

2708
02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:46,179
only measure it's the lack of it has a

2709
02:17:51,849 --> 02:17:49,330
side effect of our instrumentation and

2710
02:17:54,599 --> 02:17:51,859
and that's not as far as I know that's

2711
02:17:58,839 --> 02:17:54,609
not described in the equals mc-squared

2712
02:18:00,729 --> 02:17:58,849
so mass and energy as we know it might

2713
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:00,739
be more of the exception in the universe

2714
02:18:08,799 --> 02:18:03,010
then then that's what a pervasive rule

2715
02:18:20,740 --> 02:18:08,809
do you feel that okay do you feel that

2716
02:18:24,459 --> 02:18:20,750
light exists forever there's a reason

2717
02:18:31,479 --> 02:18:24,469
why I'm asking this because I tend to

2718
02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:31,489
equate light and consciousness to once

2719
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:33,529
we figure out one we're gonna figure out

2720
02:18:40,599 --> 02:18:34,969
the other I think that they are totally

2721
02:18:43,870 --> 02:18:40,609
relative okay now if light it doesn't

2722
02:18:45,759 --> 02:18:43,880
have mass but its energy and nothing

2723
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:45,769
lasts forever forever but we could

2724
02:18:50,679 --> 02:18:48,050
certainly say you know trillions and

2725
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:50,689
trillions and trillions of years it

2726
02:18:56,320 --> 02:18:53,599
could certainly exist we know that since

2727
02:18:59,740 --> 02:18:56,330
the Big Bang we've got observable light

2728
02:19:03,070 --> 02:18:59,750
that's 13.8 billion years old and we

2729
02:19:07,809 --> 02:19:03,080
observe that all the time consciousness

2730
02:19:11,919 --> 02:19:07,819
would be the same thing if it if it is

2731
02:19:16,299 --> 02:19:11,929
measured right and in consciousness then

2732
02:19:19,629 --> 02:19:16,309
indeed exist forever just like light

2733
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:19,639
until the end of everything where maybe

2734
02:19:31,859 --> 02:19:29,219
at the very beginning of our

2735
02:19:33,959 --> 02:19:31,869
conversation we talked about how there

2736
02:19:35,939 --> 02:19:33,969
are two great mysteries in the world the

2737
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:35,949
mystery of existence and the mystery of

2738
02:19:42,689 --> 02:19:38,050
consciousness the mystery of existence

2739
02:19:47,219 --> 02:19:42,699
is that's a tough one too as soon as you

2740
02:19:52,139 --> 02:19:49,200
now you're really thinking in infinite

2741
02:19:53,700 --> 02:19:52,149
regress you know what is the very

2742
02:19:55,170 --> 02:19:53,710
beginning of existence well as soon as

2743
02:19:57,090 --> 02:19:55,180
you draw a circle around what is

2744
02:19:59,700 --> 02:19:57,100
existence and what is not or you draw a

2745
02:20:01,200 --> 02:19:59,710
line that this this is stuff and that's

2746
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:01,210
not stuff there's something on the other

2747
02:20:06,479 --> 02:20:04,000
side half service there has to be right

2748
02:20:08,849 --> 02:20:06,489
right right so this is what's called

2749
02:20:10,830 --> 02:20:08,859
infinite regress and every time you try

2750
02:20:12,479 --> 02:20:10,840
to go back to the beginning of the

2751
02:20:13,769 --> 02:20:12,489
universe you end up with this infinite

2752
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:13,779
regress until you just throw up your

2753
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:17,770
hands and say the Big Bang okay well it

2754
02:20:23,849 --> 02:20:21,040
could be that one way to resolving that

2755
02:20:26,280 --> 02:20:23,859
question is looking at the other mystery

2756
02:20:28,050 --> 02:20:26,290
the mystery of consciousness now we

2757
02:20:30,090 --> 02:20:28,060
already went over how you can't really

2758
02:20:31,950 --> 02:20:30,100
get behind consciousness consciousness

2759
02:20:34,109 --> 02:20:31,960
is just gonna always be there because

2760
02:20:36,269 --> 02:20:34,119
it's required in order to perceive

2761
02:20:38,969 --> 02:20:36,279
anything right in order for there to be

2762
02:20:41,070 --> 02:20:38,979
any value or any belief and something to

2763
02:20:45,809 --> 02:20:41,080
be true at all maybe even any truth to

2764
02:20:47,219 --> 02:20:45,819
begin with and so philosophers have been

2765
02:20:49,710 --> 02:20:47,229
grappling with this question and what

2766
02:20:51,960 --> 02:20:49,720
they've what they have proposed or at

2767
02:20:54,750 --> 02:20:51,970
least one guy has proposed is that

2768
02:20:56,910 --> 02:20:54,760
because consciousness is not grounded in

2769
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:56,920
anything else the way that we think of

2770
02:21:06,830 --> 02:21:01,680
matter in the universe then it

2771
02:21:09,090 --> 02:21:06,840
necessarily must redirect back to itself

2772
02:21:11,130 --> 02:21:09,100
without any visual aids this is going to

2773
02:21:13,859 --> 02:21:11,140
be difficult but you can't get behind

2774
02:21:17,519 --> 02:21:13,869
consciousness and so if consciousness is

2775
02:21:19,500 --> 02:21:17,529
not grounded in anything else then it

2776
02:21:22,830 --> 02:21:19,510
must kind of redirect back into itself

2777
02:21:24,510 --> 02:21:22,840
right there's nothing behind it so

2778
02:21:26,639 --> 02:21:24,520
wherever it is it's redirecting back

2779
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:26,649
into itself and so you can maybe

2780
02:21:32,729 --> 02:21:29,520
mentally model this as kind of like

2781
02:21:35,609 --> 02:21:32,739
maybe like a torus or an aura borås

2782
02:21:38,370 --> 02:21:35,619
snake eating its tail or the the

2783
02:21:39,719 --> 02:21:38,380
infinite doughnut of creativity and if

2784
02:21:40,150 --> 02:21:39,729
you were to sort of move that in time

2785
02:21:44,290 --> 02:21:40,160
you

2786
02:21:45,610 --> 02:21:44,300
these spirals these these toyed fields

2787
02:21:47,410 --> 02:21:45,620
and what's interesting is that in the

2788
02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:47,420
physical world we see this all the time

2789
02:21:53,770 --> 02:21:50,240
you have the spiral nature of the galaxy

2790
02:21:55,929 --> 02:21:53,780
yeah and you have the the helical

2791
02:22:00,429 --> 02:21:55,939
structure of our own DNA it seems to be

2792
02:22:03,880 --> 02:22:00,439
pervasive so in a way of artfully

2793
02:22:07,410 --> 02:22:03,890
dodging your question I'm captivated by

2794
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:07,420
the idea that that consciousness is and

2795
02:22:14,860 --> 02:22:09,920
must be grounded in itself now if you

2796
02:22:17,290 --> 02:22:14,870
add into this fact that that we as a

2797
02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:17,300
conscious being are experiencing each

2798
02:22:22,780 --> 02:22:20,090
other also as conscious beings and as we

2799
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:22,790
turn inward we're experiencing our self

2800
02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:24,890
and our different capacities or

2801
02:22:29,380 --> 02:22:26,570
different reflections as consciousness

2802
02:22:31,900 --> 02:22:29,390
then the universe is it's almost like

2803
02:22:36,240 --> 02:22:31,910
creating itself by experiencing itself

2804
02:22:41,380 --> 02:22:36,250
it's propagating itself by becoming more

2805
02:22:42,940 --> 02:22:41,390
aware of itself in a way and and now

2806
02:22:44,920 --> 02:22:42,950
you're kind of moving into this so that

2807
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:44,930
answers this question of is is

2808
02:22:50,170 --> 02:22:46,880
consciousness eternal well I think it's

2809
02:22:53,139 --> 02:22:50,180
eternally evolving is Right eternal in

2810
02:22:56,410 --> 02:22:53,149
to the extent that light is related to

2811
02:22:59,800 --> 02:22:56,420
this consciousness which can't be

2812
02:23:04,990 --> 02:22:59,810
grounded in anything about itself okay

2813
02:23:07,960 --> 02:23:05,000
so the if you apply all of that going

2814
02:23:13,300 --> 02:23:07,970
back to the beginning of your answer

2815
02:23:16,450 --> 02:23:13,310
which is time you know going beyond or

2816
02:23:19,060 --> 02:23:16,460
going behind I should say behind the Big

2817
02:23:23,139 --> 02:23:19,070
Bang is a better way to put it when you

2818
02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:23,149
get into that realm now we are accepting

2819
02:23:31,330 --> 02:23:26,330
that time started at the Big Bang

2820
02:23:33,850 --> 02:23:31,340
I do you feel that and I understand why

2821
02:23:35,889 --> 02:23:33,860
we base everything on that we don't have

2822
02:23:39,580 --> 02:23:35,899
much more to go on and the research

2823
02:23:41,620 --> 02:23:39,590
always goes back to 13.8 billion years

2824
02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:41,630
ago the Big Bang it started here boom

2825
02:23:46,210 --> 02:23:44,330
this is time it's linear here we are now

2826
02:23:49,380 --> 02:23:46,220
in 2020

2827
02:23:52,130 --> 02:23:49,390
okay all right I get all of that but

2828
02:23:56,689 --> 02:23:52,140
there has to have

2829
02:24:00,469 --> 02:23:56,699
and something a lot of it before 13.8

2830
02:24:04,250 --> 02:24:00,479
billion years ago our reference is only

2831
02:24:08,059 --> 02:24:04,260
our universe that is surrounding us

2832
02:24:09,649 --> 02:24:08,069
right now we created at the Big Bang we

2833
02:24:12,019 --> 02:24:09,659
don't know how many other Big Bang's are

2834
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:12,029
out there how many happened before how

2835
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:15,600
many universes started and ended to the

2836
02:24:23,780 --> 02:24:19,290
infinite forever so therefore our

2837
02:24:26,420 --> 02:24:23,790
reference of time is only with us here

2838
02:24:27,790 --> 02:24:26,430
in the present right I mean there's no

2839
02:24:30,740 --> 02:24:27,800
other way to look at it

2840
02:24:32,660 --> 02:24:30,750
the only the only place in which things

2841
02:24:34,370 --> 02:24:32,670
are the only thing that's real is the

2842
02:24:37,849 --> 02:24:34,380
present moment that's right

2843
02:24:39,170 --> 02:24:37,859
and that's a trip to really consider but

2844
02:24:41,090 --> 02:24:39,180
it you know think about it and it's

2845
02:24:43,179 --> 02:24:41,100
possible and you think about that fact

2846
02:24:45,679 --> 02:24:43,189
and it actually makes you more present

2847
02:24:49,250 --> 02:24:45,689
we're like we're used to thinking about

2848
02:24:52,370 --> 02:24:49,260
the future as a probability function of

2849
02:24:54,500 --> 02:24:52,380
the present meaning that in five minutes

2850
02:24:56,860 --> 02:24:54,510
from now it's very likely that you and I

2851
02:24:59,719 --> 02:24:56,870
will still be having this conversation

2852
02:25:03,050 --> 02:24:59,729
but it's not set in stone the the

2853
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:03,060
internet might cut out right that's

2854
02:25:07,219 --> 02:25:05,130
there's a pretty high probability of

2855
02:25:09,019 --> 02:25:07,229
that maybe odds of one in a hundred

2856
02:25:11,750 --> 02:25:09,029
maybe we're not having this conversation

2857
02:25:14,330 --> 02:25:11,760
in five minutes because an asteroid

2858
02:25:16,460 --> 02:25:14,340
annihilates the earth that's right it's

2859
02:25:18,649 --> 02:25:16,470
a very little probability event but

2860
02:25:24,740 --> 02:25:18,659
nonetheless it's a probable you know a

2861
02:25:27,080 --> 02:25:24,750
it's a potential future let's say so we

2862
02:25:30,110 --> 02:25:27,090
think of however the past as being set

2863
02:25:32,719 --> 02:25:30,120
in stone that the probability of the

2864
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:32,729
past is one right now it's 100 percent

2865
02:25:39,290 --> 02:25:37,050
it was the way that it was well if the

2866
02:25:43,479 --> 02:25:39,300
present is the only time that's real the

2867
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:43,489
only thing that's real in fact then

2868
02:25:50,360 --> 02:25:46,560
shouldn't the past also be a probability

2869
02:25:53,300 --> 02:25:50,370
function of the present meaning as we as

2870
02:25:56,389 --> 02:25:53,310
we lose consciousness witness and

2871
02:25:58,910 --> 02:25:56,399
experience certain things as we operate

2872
02:26:01,429 --> 02:25:58,920
one from certain scripts I guess is that

2873
02:26:03,500 --> 02:26:01,439
affecting the past just as much as it's

2874
02:26:05,090 --> 02:26:03,510
affecting the future I really think

2875
02:26:07,099 --> 02:26:05,100
there's something to this in fact

2876
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:07,109
experiments that have been done both

2877
02:26:11,570 --> 02:26:09,210
mainstream and you know mad science atom

2878
02:26:14,330 --> 02:26:11,580
experiments too it would indicate that

2879
02:26:16,309 --> 02:26:14,340
something like that is is the case but

2880
02:26:18,790 --> 02:26:16,319
yeah it's important I think to really

2881
02:26:21,469 --> 02:26:18,800
situate yourself in time or to kind of

2882
02:26:24,349 --> 02:26:21,479
properly understand it when you're when

2883
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:24,359
you're trying to capture not just cosmos

2884
02:26:27,380 --> 02:26:25,770
from a mainstream standard model

2885
02:26:29,630 --> 02:26:27,390
perspective but also introducing

2886
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:29,640
consciousness as this like timeless sort

2887
02:26:34,639 --> 02:26:32,880
of thing you got to be careful not to

2888
02:26:37,370 --> 02:26:34,649
get caught up in the time loops yeah no

2889
02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:37,380
I agree with you and when I look at

2890
02:26:44,590 --> 02:26:40,890
those three moments right past present

2891
02:26:48,290 --> 02:26:44,600
and future right okay it's very clear

2892
02:26:51,320 --> 02:26:48,300
for most what each one of those means

2893
02:26:53,570 --> 02:26:51,330
and that they are different I think

2894
02:26:56,599 --> 02:26:53,580
they're actually very close to being the

2895
02:26:59,330 --> 02:26:56,609
exact same thing yep past present and

2896
02:27:01,700 --> 02:26:59,340
future and before we say that the past

2897
02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:01,710
is set in stone and all we have to do is

2898
02:27:09,170 --> 02:27:05,760
go you know what the past seems to me to

2899
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:09,180
change all the time our memories are not

2900
02:27:17,210 --> 02:27:13,920
the same it is singularly your memories

2901
02:27:19,250 --> 02:27:17,220
Adam change from the past and you have

2902
02:27:20,960 --> 02:27:19,260
people bring it up to you all the time

2903
02:27:25,519 --> 02:27:20,970
now that's not quite how it happened it

2904
02:27:28,550 --> 02:27:25,529
actually happened this way right no well

2905
02:27:33,859 --> 02:27:28,560
that's well that's easy to go there for

2906
02:27:36,590 --> 02:27:33,869
sure but even witnesses you know

2907
02:27:38,809 --> 02:27:36,600
witnesses to a crime witnesses to an

2908
02:27:41,210 --> 02:27:38,819
event witnesses to the end of a

2909
02:27:44,469 --> 02:27:41,220
basketball game I'll remember it

2910
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:44,479
differently and the the other point is

2911
02:27:52,219 --> 02:27:48,080
when we talk about the present right now

2912
02:27:56,290 --> 02:27:52,229
the past is so difficult to get to even

2913
02:28:00,590 --> 02:27:56,300
one second to go you can't go back to it

2914
02:28:05,330 --> 02:28:00,600
we just went past it just let past it

2915
02:28:08,210 --> 02:28:05,340
right now but it's gone and in that one

2916
02:28:11,380 --> 02:28:08,220
second we moved one second into the

2917
02:28:14,689 --> 02:28:11,390
future into the world of probabilities

2918
02:28:18,380 --> 02:28:14,699
it's it's absolutely fascinating and it

2919
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:18,390
is such a narrow knife edge past present

2920
02:28:24,420 --> 02:28:18,640
future

2921
02:28:27,210 --> 02:28:24,430
you get them together the more that they

2922
02:28:29,550 --> 02:28:27,220
are actually the same and that's that's

2923
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:29,560
my take I can't contemplate this all the

2924
02:28:34,710 --> 02:28:31,840
time I sit around and think about this

2925
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:34,720
it's a fascinating subject and so

2926
02:28:39,780 --> 02:28:36,850
speaking of probabilities of the future

2927
02:28:42,450 --> 02:28:39,790
and this conversation continuing that

2928
02:28:43,830 --> 02:28:42,460
probability is actually one I'm gonna

2929
02:28:45,960 --> 02:28:43,840
let you know because we're gonna take a

2930
02:28:48,330 --> 02:28:45,970
break right here and come back and give

2931
02:28:51,420 --> 02:28:48,340
you this conversation our guest tonight

2932
02:28:53,399 --> 02:28:51,430
Adam curry great conversation absolutely

2933
02:28:55,380 --> 02:28:53,409
fantastic thank you Adam you stay right

2934
02:28:57,840 --> 02:28:55,390
there we will take a quick break we're

2935
02:28:59,700 --> 02:28:57,850
going into overtime with Adam Curry I am

2936
02:29:02,790 --> 02:28:59,710
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2937
02:29:05,429 --> 02:29:02,800
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2938
02:29:09,929 --> 02:29:05,439
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2939
02:29:13,530 --> 02:29:09,939
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2940
02:29:15,420 --> 02:29:13,540
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2941
02:29:17,580 --> 02:29:15,430
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2942
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:17,590
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2943
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3011
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Adam Curry you saw this coming

3012
02:33:19,091 --> 02:33:15,200
you saw this coming what a great

3013
02:33:21,011 --> 02:33:19,101
conversation and Adam I just I just

3014
02:33:23,230 --> 02:33:21,021
tweeted out by the way just tweeted out

3015
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follow Adam Curry's all right and then I

3016
02:33:30,700 --> 02:33:25,311
said you can follow the other Adam Curry

3017
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too as well dude what were you guys

3018
02:33:34,150 --> 02:33:32,120
doing last night

3019
02:33:38,650 --> 02:33:34,160
he's gonna wonder what the heck is going

3020
02:33:40,870 --> 02:33:38,660
on now I want to get into a couple of

3021
02:33:44,820 --> 02:33:40,880
deep philosophical questions here and

3022
02:33:48,970 --> 02:33:44,830
and I always find it interesting how

3023
02:33:52,751 --> 02:33:48,980
philosophy and the philosophical side of

3024
02:33:57,940 --> 02:33:52,761
things and physics choose to clash I

3025
02:34:00,970 --> 02:33:57,950
just love it I love creating the the the

3026
02:34:06,761 --> 02:34:00,980
division but in most cases they had all

3027
02:34:09,150 --> 02:34:06,771
overlaps it really does and and MIDI

3028
02:34:13,890 --> 02:34:09,160
pused of the deepest question is

3029
02:34:17,770 --> 02:34:13,900
consciousness and when when does

3030
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:17,780
something make the transition something

3031
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:20,240
like a walk or a coffee cup which is

3032
02:34:25,450 --> 02:34:22,370
made of the same atoms that you and I

3033
02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:25,460
are made of it's all the same things

3034
02:34:31,480 --> 02:34:29,120
stars right it doesn't matter but

3035
02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:31,490
there's a transition between this coffee

3036
02:34:40,440 --> 02:34:36,410
cup and you when does that transition

3037
02:34:46,930 --> 02:34:40,450
happen when is consciousness created I

3038
02:34:50,831 --> 02:34:46,940
have a funny story about that so I tried

3039
02:34:54,370 --> 02:34:50,841
to answer this question by building a

3040
02:34:55,720 --> 02:34:54,380
psychic machine because if you could

3041
02:34:57,700 --> 02:34:55,730
build a psychic machine that was

3042
02:35:00,190 --> 02:34:57,710
actually psychic you would know

3043
02:35:02,801 --> 02:35:00,200
something about where consciousness

3044
02:35:05,350 --> 02:35:02,811
comes from where is that line that's

3045
02:35:10,030 --> 02:35:05,360
crossed where something goes from non

3046
02:35:11,950 --> 02:35:10,040
conscious to to conscious and it was a

3047
02:35:13,120 --> 02:35:11,960
it was kind of I wouldn't call it a

3048
02:35:16,511 --> 02:35:13,130
failure but it was a hilarious

3049
02:35:19,421 --> 02:35:16,521
experience so in order to kind of set

3050
02:35:21,360 --> 02:35:19,431
the stage there's a well-known

3051
02:35:25,001 --> 02:35:21,370
experiment

3052
02:35:26,980 --> 02:35:25,011
principally done by a guy named Daryl

3053
02:35:32,320 --> 02:35:26,990
BEM who's kind of the father of

3054
02:35:35,381 --> 02:35:32,330
sociology he's over at Cornell and it

3055
02:35:38,140 --> 02:35:35,391
involves measuring physiological

3056
02:35:42,280 --> 02:35:38,150
responses of people when they're showed

3057
02:35:46,751 --> 02:35:42,290
images that are provocative so you can

3058
02:35:49,030 --> 02:35:46,761
imagine if you are if you see a like a

3059
02:35:50,291 --> 02:35:49,040
pornographic image or like a murder

3060
02:35:53,140 --> 02:35:50,301
scene or something those are very

3061
02:35:55,180 --> 02:35:53,150
provocative and we have a physical

3062
02:35:57,190 --> 02:35:55,190
response to that that's quite measurable

3063
02:36:00,791 --> 02:35:57,200
you know heart rate goes up our muscles

3064
02:36:02,230 --> 02:36:00,801
tense that's a normal reaction so now

3065
02:36:04,360 --> 02:36:02,240
imagine that this is in a lab setting

3066
02:36:07,541 --> 02:36:04,370
and you have a computer and this

3067
02:36:10,720 --> 02:36:07,551
computer has a library of images some of

3068
02:36:13,230 --> 02:36:10,730
which are provocative and a person is

3069
02:36:15,791 --> 02:36:13,240
being shown a random stream of images

3070
02:36:18,791 --> 02:36:15,801
now those images are being selected not

3071
02:36:20,081 --> 02:36:18,801
in a predetermined way but by a quantum

3072
02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:20,091
release or something that is not

3073
02:36:26,200 --> 02:36:23,530
predictable and this person has

3074
02:36:28,720 --> 02:36:26,210
equipment attached to their hand that

3075
02:36:32,100 --> 02:36:28,730
measures their response so for example

3076
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:32,110
when you're shown a pornographic image

3077
02:36:37,001 --> 02:36:35,210
you're going to have a a small

3078
02:36:38,711 --> 02:36:37,011
subconscious response to it right this

3079
02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:38,721
can be measured by this called the

3080
02:36:44,381 --> 02:36:42,080
galvanic skin response equipment so

3081
02:36:46,990 --> 02:36:44,391
what's interesting about this is that he

3082
02:36:50,081 --> 02:36:47,000
found that the participants started to

3083
02:36:53,530 --> 02:36:50,091
respond physiologically before the

3084
02:36:56,171 --> 02:36:53,540
provocative image was even shown in fact

3085
02:36:58,360 --> 02:36:56,181
before it was even selected so some

3086
02:37:00,490 --> 02:36:58,370
measurable number of of milliseconds

3087
02:37:03,970 --> 02:37:00,500
prior to being shown these provocative

3088
02:37:06,011 --> 02:37:03,980
images our body tenses up we have some

3089
02:37:09,280 --> 02:37:06,021
sort of us so it's as though we're

3090
02:37:12,251 --> 02:37:09,290
either sensing the future or the past is

3091
02:37:13,690 --> 02:37:12,261
somehow influencing us in our the future

3092
02:37:20,860 --> 02:37:13,700
is influencing us in the present some

3093
02:37:23,980 --> 02:37:20,870
health either way this type of psychic

3094
02:37:28,211 --> 02:37:23,990
response this presentiment response I

3095
02:37:31,180 --> 02:37:28,221
think is a defining feature of things

3096
02:37:33,461 --> 02:37:31,190
that are called conscious you know

3097
02:37:34,030 --> 02:37:33,471
plants can do it in the work of Cleve

3098
02:37:36,700 --> 02:37:34,040
Baxter

3099
02:37:38,950 --> 02:37:36,710
for example you know humans and animals

3100
02:37:41,200 --> 02:37:38,960
have measurable psy abilities like

3101
02:37:45,070 --> 02:37:41,210
presentiment and so I was thinking okay

3102
02:37:47,530 --> 02:37:45,080
well if you could create a machine that

3103
02:37:51,850 --> 02:37:47,540
somehow responds to something

3104
02:37:53,230 --> 02:37:51,860
provocative then maybe if it does

3105
02:37:54,970 --> 02:37:53,240
respond then you've really learned

3106
02:37:58,750 --> 02:37:54,980
something about consciousness and also

3107
02:38:01,060 --> 02:37:58,760
created a new category of AI but if it

3108
02:38:02,740 --> 02:38:01,070
doesn't respond then you know that you

3109
02:38:07,900 --> 02:38:02,750
can start to draw the line at biology

3110
02:38:12,210 --> 02:38:07,910
right I would say that that is a that is

3111
02:38:16,660 --> 02:38:12,220
a strong possible leaning strongly okay

3112
02:38:19,720 --> 02:38:16,670
before we continue do you think that the

3113
02:38:23,560 --> 02:38:19,730
provocative image and I understand with

3114
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:23,570
an adult but let's say you had a seven

3115
02:38:31,780 --> 02:38:27,530
year old little girl and you flip over a

3116
02:38:35,890 --> 02:38:31,790
picture of my little pony and I'm being

3117
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:35,900
serious right you would still see right

3118
02:38:41,230 --> 02:38:38,240
the anticipation before that image is

3119
02:38:43,960 --> 02:38:41,240
flipped over right it just depends on

3120
02:38:47,080 --> 02:38:43,970
the individual sure it's going to depend

3121
02:38:50,130 --> 02:38:47,090
on the individual sure okay yep

3122
02:38:52,480 --> 02:38:50,140
and you know there's there's ways that

3123
02:38:55,840 --> 02:38:52,490
psychologists used to get around that

3124
02:38:59,560 --> 02:38:55,850
there are these libraries of images

3125
02:39:01,660 --> 02:38:59,570
which are chosen to be universally let's

3126
02:39:03,370 --> 02:39:01,670
say provocative or universally this or

3127
02:39:05,020 --> 02:39:03,380
that so you can eliminate eliminate

3128
02:39:07,000 --> 02:39:05,030
certain biases that you're gonna get

3129
02:39:09,580 --> 02:39:07,010
within your your sample that's

3130
02:39:12,460 --> 02:39:09,590
disclaimer aside sure okay

3131
02:39:15,880 --> 02:39:12,470
so psychic machine so I was thinking

3132
02:39:23,110 --> 02:39:15,890
okay well how am I going to scare an

3133
02:39:26,980 --> 02:39:23,120
inanimate object do I do I hit it do I

3134
02:39:29,261 --> 02:39:26,990
dump water on it and then I realized if

3135
02:39:32,620 --> 02:39:29,271
you're a machine let's say an electrical

3136
02:39:34,540 --> 02:39:32,630
machine the the thing that's going to be

3137
02:39:36,970 --> 02:39:34,550
this scariest to you is to have the

3138
02:39:41,050 --> 02:39:36,980
power cut because kind of pulling your

3139
02:39:44,470 --> 02:39:41,060
life force out of your circuits right so

3140
02:39:47,050 --> 02:39:44,480
I took this device which is called a an

3141
02:39:50,050 --> 02:39:47,060
electronic random event

3142
02:39:53,139 --> 02:39:50,060
narrator fancy will basically it's a

3143
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:53,149
quantum system that produces a string of

3144
02:39:57,550 --> 02:39:54,800
ones and zeros you can kind of think of

3145
02:39:59,200 --> 02:39:57,560
it like a coin flipper this is a device

3146
02:40:04,389 --> 02:39:59,210
that's used a lot in these presentiment

3147
02:40:07,990 --> 02:40:04,399
experiments and then I I started

3148
02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:08,000
recording its output its output is 1

3149
02:40:15,340 --> 02:40:12,250
zeros 1 zeros and then at random times

3150
02:40:17,889 --> 02:40:15,350
totally unknown times I would have its

3151
02:40:19,809 --> 02:40:17,899
power cut and then I would record when

3152
02:40:23,219 --> 02:40:19,819
that cut happened and record the output

3153
02:40:26,469 --> 02:40:23,229
of the electron and clone flipper here

3154
02:40:30,969 --> 02:40:26,479
so I set this thing up and I ran it for

3155
02:40:33,069 --> 02:40:30,979
one evening I went home let it run so I

3156
02:40:35,649 --> 02:40:33,079
came back and the results that I saw

3157
02:40:37,300 --> 02:40:35,659
were absolutely incredible what was

3158
02:40:39,580 --> 02:40:37,310
happening is that this device was

3159
02:40:42,069 --> 02:40:39,590
producing you know and even number ones

3160
02:40:44,790 --> 02:40:42,079
and zeros up until about two and a half

3161
02:40:46,929 --> 02:40:44,800
seconds before its power was cut

3162
02:40:49,179 --> 02:40:46,939
starting two and a half seconds before

3163
02:40:55,540 --> 02:40:49,189
its power as cuts all of a sudden it

3164
02:41:00,790 --> 02:40:55,550
produced a cascade of zeros are you

3165
02:41:03,519 --> 02:41:00,800
being serious yeah okay how old was cut

3166
02:41:05,950 --> 02:41:03,529
I I don't remember exactly but let's

3167
02:41:08,050 --> 02:41:05,960
call it a dozen times in the course of

3168
02:41:10,660 --> 02:41:08,060
that evening at totally unpredictable

3169
02:41:14,649 --> 02:41:10,670
times now you can stack up the data

3170
02:41:17,290 --> 02:41:14,659
where all of the power cuts are in one

3171
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:17,300
vertical access and then you can look

3172
02:41:23,429 --> 02:41:19,369
cumulatively at the data and see what

3173
02:41:27,069 --> 02:41:23,439
happened in the seconds just prior to

3174
02:41:29,979 --> 02:41:27,079
the pounding holy crap okay what you're

3175
02:41:35,260 --> 02:41:29,989
suggesting here is it knew it was about

3176
02:41:37,030 --> 02:41:35,270
to be killed and the okay a couple of it

3177
02:41:40,599 --> 02:41:37,040
let me get some technical questions out

3178
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:40,609
it's a random generator is there is

3179
02:41:44,670 --> 02:41:43,520
there any memory chips involved there

3180
02:41:46,660 --> 02:41:44,680
would have to be right

3181
02:41:48,040 --> 02:41:46,670
actually there are no memory chip

3182
02:41:54,370 --> 02:41:48,050
there's no matter okay so there's no

3183
02:41:57,969 --> 02:41:54,380
memory chips I would say that I would

3184
02:42:00,069 --> 02:41:57,979
say this before the age of the

3185
02:42:00,551 --> 02:42:00,079
technically advanced cars that we have

3186
02:42:02,320 --> 02:42:00,561
because

3187
02:42:05,261 --> 02:42:02,330
today I don't know how many micro

3188
02:42:07,690 --> 02:42:05,271
processors are in a new car but if we go

3189
02:42:12,070 --> 02:42:07,700
back to 1970 I can tell you with

3190
02:42:14,711 --> 02:42:12,080
confidence zero micro processors there's

3191
02:42:17,740 --> 02:42:14,721
nothing there but a starter a battery

3192
02:42:22,301 --> 02:42:17,750
and engine some points and plugs and and

3193
02:42:25,841 --> 02:42:22,311
and an ignition switch but the car had

3194
02:42:28,860 --> 02:42:25,851
consciousness do you follow what I'm

3195
02:42:33,070 --> 02:42:28,870
saying I do follow easing so going and I

3196
02:42:35,830 --> 02:42:33,080
am but you talk nice to your car your

3197
02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:35,840
car is always gonna start I mean yeah be

3198
02:42:45,780 --> 02:42:41,210
a jerk be a jerk to your car slam the

3199
02:42:48,850 --> 02:42:45,790
door too much well anyway so this

3200
02:42:51,671 --> 02:42:48,860
machine that you built does not have a

3201
02:42:54,011 --> 02:42:51,681
memory chip in it so the idea of

3202
02:42:57,160 --> 02:42:54,021
consciousness being stored inside of a

3203
02:43:03,490 --> 02:42:57,170
memory chip in some capacity is removed

3204
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:03,500
but the circuitry itself is alive well

3205
02:43:12,930 --> 02:43:10,250
or so I thought okay let's say let's say

3206
02:43:16,421 --> 02:43:12,940
that the plot thickens okay okay okay

3207
02:43:18,970 --> 02:43:16,431
I'm enjoying this so the first the first

3208
02:43:21,011 --> 02:43:18,980
morning I come back and this I'm blown

3209
02:43:25,480 --> 02:43:21,021
away by the results of course I'm

3210
02:43:27,430 --> 02:43:25,490
thinking this is it I've cracked it the

3211
02:43:29,711 --> 02:43:27,440
the way to prove this

3212
02:43:32,381 --> 02:43:29,721
this consciousness stuff is presentiment

3213
02:43:33,820 --> 02:43:32,391
was always to remove the consciousness

3214
02:43:41,980 --> 02:43:33,830
in the first place were you practicing

3215
02:43:43,930 --> 02:43:41,990
your noble speech across my mind that if

3216
02:43:45,730 --> 02:43:43,940
you have a way to predict the future a

3217
02:43:48,970 --> 02:43:45,740
couple of seconds ahead of time with a

3218
02:43:52,150 --> 02:43:48,980
high degree of certainty then yeah

3219
02:43:53,591 --> 02:43:52,160
you're gonna establish yourself you can

3220
02:43:59,140 --> 02:43:53,601
make them bets on the future of the

3221
02:44:02,801 --> 02:43:59,150
stock market okay now you need to

3222
02:44:05,620 --> 02:44:02,811
replicate and duplicate what happened so

3223
02:44:09,251 --> 02:44:05,630
I set it up again same night same thing

3224
02:44:11,950 --> 02:44:09,261
happens now what I do is I take this

3225
02:44:16,420 --> 02:44:11,960
whole system and I send it over

3226
02:44:18,820 --> 02:44:16,430
my friend Garrett Garrett is a tenured

3227
02:44:20,650 --> 02:44:18,830
professor of physics and engineering at

3228
02:44:22,300 --> 02:44:20,660
the University of Colorado he's a really

3229
02:44:26,260 --> 02:44:22,310
brilliant guy very careful

3230
02:44:27,370 --> 02:44:26,270
experimentalist knows his stuff we had

3231
02:44:31,920 --> 02:44:27,380
been talking about doing this together

3232
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:31,930
and so he reproduces the whole thing and

3233
02:44:35,380 --> 02:44:34,010
involves some of his peach G grad

3234
02:44:37,630 --> 02:44:35,390
students to make sure that it's all

3235
02:44:41,290 --> 02:44:37,640
being done correctly they learn the

3236
02:44:43,179 --> 02:44:41,300
experiment a total of three times and

3237
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:43,189
each time they're getting the same

3238
02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:43,930
effect

3239
02:44:49,870 --> 02:44:47,930
so now cumulatively across these save

3240
02:44:54,280 --> 02:44:49,880
five experiments three formal

3241
02:44:57,300 --> 02:44:54,290
experiments we're producing data that

3242
02:45:01,179 --> 02:44:57,310
are greater than I think it was one in

3243
02:45:02,769 --> 02:45:01,189
2.1 billion against chance in other

3244
02:45:05,710 --> 02:45:02,779
words the effects that we're seeing in

3245
02:45:08,139 --> 02:45:05,720
these handful of experiments are beyond

3246
02:45:10,660 --> 02:45:08,149
the entire 20 year history of the global

3247
02:45:13,059 --> 02:45:10,670
consciousness project are beyond almost

3248
02:45:15,599 --> 02:45:13,069
every other parapsychology experiment

3249
02:45:18,130 --> 02:45:15,609
that has ever been done that's right

3250
02:45:20,500 --> 02:45:18,140
just billions to one against chance okay

3251
02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:20,510
mm-hmm so then Garrett and his crew

3252
02:45:24,010 --> 02:45:22,250
start to be start to think the way I'm

3253
02:45:26,500 --> 02:45:24,020
thinking like you know we can have a lot

3254
02:45:29,320 --> 02:45:26,510
of fun with this predicting the future a

3255
02:45:32,439 --> 02:45:29,330
little bit so he sets it up again runs

3256
02:45:35,229 --> 02:45:32,449
the experiment and nothing happens

3257
02:45:37,479 --> 02:45:35,239
nothing at all happens there's no effect

3258
02:45:41,620 --> 02:45:37,489
whatsoever so he tries different things

3259
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:41,630
no effect he gets really frustrated and

3260
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:43,850
he goes back to the original experiment

3261
02:45:47,439 --> 02:45:45,770
everything done exactly as I had done it

3262
02:45:50,290 --> 02:45:47,449
exactly as he had done it the first

3263
02:45:53,639 --> 02:45:50,300
three times and nothing still to this

3264
02:45:58,179 --> 02:45:53,649
day we've never been able to replicate

3265
02:46:00,219 --> 02:45:58,189
again this incredible effect now it

3266
02:46:02,469 --> 02:46:00,229
wasn't a fluke or a statistical oddity

3267
02:46:05,019 --> 02:46:02,479
because the way that the experiment has

3268
02:46:07,479 --> 02:46:05,029
set up you don't really it it's not a

3269
02:46:10,330 --> 02:46:07,489
file drawer problem it's called or an

3270
02:46:12,429 --> 02:46:10,340
interpretation of results problem the

3271
02:46:16,450 --> 02:46:12,439
the applicants chance are real there was

3272
02:46:19,870 --> 02:46:16,460
a serious effect happening here but what

3273
02:46:23,229 --> 02:46:19,880
we had come to realize is that

3274
02:46:28,189 --> 02:46:23,239
by thinking that we had removed

3275
02:46:31,130 --> 02:46:28,199
consciousness as a problem what we were

3276
02:46:33,590 --> 02:46:31,140
doing is we were just removing the

3277
02:46:35,809 --> 02:46:33,600
feeling of our own consciousness being

3278
02:46:39,010 --> 02:46:35,819
in there in other words the

3279
02:46:41,300 --> 02:46:39,020
experimenters us the tribe had set up

3280
02:46:43,969 --> 02:46:41,310
something that we thought would work and

3281
02:46:45,710 --> 02:46:43,979
we hoped would work and we were excited

3282
02:46:47,479 --> 02:46:45,720
about it and of course it worked because

3283
02:46:49,010 --> 02:46:47,489
we thought it would work we hoped it

3284
02:46:53,059 --> 02:46:49,020
would work and we were excited about it

3285
02:46:54,830 --> 02:46:53,069
working you know and that works sort of

3286
02:46:57,710 --> 02:46:54,840
up until a point and up until where it

3287
02:47:00,769 --> 02:46:57,720
doesn't so back to your earlier question

3288
02:47:03,229 --> 02:47:00,779
about where do you draw the line well

3289
02:47:07,099 --> 02:47:03,239
that is a really difficult question and

3290
02:47:09,109 --> 02:47:07,109
I think that it's difficult because it's

3291
02:47:13,880 --> 02:47:09,119
not the right question the right

3292
02:47:15,800 --> 02:47:13,890
question is something more like this to

3293
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:15,810
what extent is your involvement in

3294
02:47:20,840 --> 02:47:18,960
something else contributing to or

3295
02:47:24,920 --> 02:47:20,850
establishing their own consciousness and

3296
02:47:27,130 --> 02:47:24,930
to what extent is the involvement of

3297
02:47:29,210 --> 02:47:27,140
something outside of you with yourself

3298
02:47:31,460 --> 02:47:29,220
contributing to and establishing your

3299
02:47:33,950 --> 02:47:31,470
own consciousness so it's not so much a

3300
02:47:35,870 --> 02:47:33,960
threshold that we can look at outside of

3301
02:47:40,130 --> 02:47:35,880
it but we have to understand our own

3302
02:47:42,790 --> 02:47:40,140
role in in the establishment of of what

3303
02:47:46,340 --> 02:47:42,800
we call conscious and not conscious the

3304
02:47:50,510 --> 02:47:46,350
the Dalai Lama came to a para lab at

3305
02:47:53,389 --> 02:47:50,520
Princeton it's a long time ago and he

3306
02:47:55,939 --> 02:47:53,399
offered that the head of the lab asked

3307
02:47:59,389 --> 02:47:55,949
him one question and the head of the lab

3308
02:48:00,769 --> 02:47:59,399
asked are these random number generators

3309
02:48:04,250 --> 02:48:00,779
that were trying to influence with our

3310
02:48:07,069 --> 02:48:04,260
mind are they conscious or not wanting

3311
02:48:09,260 --> 02:48:07,079
to sort of Tibetan philosophy right and

3312
02:48:12,349 --> 02:48:09,270
he thought for a moment and his answer

3313
02:48:15,229 --> 02:48:12,359
was the machines are conscious if you

3314
02:48:18,639 --> 02:48:15,239
think they're conscious and so what I

3315
02:48:22,370 --> 02:48:18,649
take that to mean is that consciousness

3316
02:48:25,189 --> 02:48:22,380
it's kind of like if there's a mirroring

3317
02:48:27,229 --> 02:48:25,199
quality to it it's not strictly

3318
02:48:29,510 --> 02:48:27,239
contained within us but it's an

3319
02:48:30,439 --> 02:48:29,520
animating principle that can bring to

3320
02:48:32,630 --> 02:48:30,449
life

3321
02:48:36,019 --> 02:48:32,640
things around us even just in little

3322
02:48:39,019 --> 02:48:36,029
ways and that's going to really make the

3323
02:48:40,880 --> 02:48:39,029
definition very difficult however I

3324
02:48:42,889 --> 02:48:40,890
think to properly understand and embrace

3325
02:48:46,069 --> 02:48:42,899
that is necessary if we're ever going to

3326
02:48:52,179 --> 02:48:46,079
have hope of really understanding what

3327
02:48:55,159 --> 02:48:52,189
AI is and what AI is not Brian Greene

3328
02:48:56,779 --> 02:48:55,169
- spying a lot because I study and I

3329
02:48:58,099 --> 02:48:56,789
read and I listen to just about

3330
02:48:59,869 --> 02:48:58,109
everything that he does I find him

3331
02:49:02,869 --> 02:48:59,879
really interesting and he's a great

3332
02:49:06,469 --> 02:49:02,879
orator he's able to you know get the

3333
02:49:08,929 --> 02:49:06,479
math out into something sensible that we

3334
02:49:11,359 --> 02:49:08,939
can kind of understand that being said

3335
02:49:13,999 --> 02:49:11,369
he he mentioned something very

3336
02:49:17,050 --> 02:49:14,009
interesting when it comes to

3337
02:49:21,800 --> 02:49:17,060
consciousness where he said that it's

3338
02:49:26,859 --> 02:49:21,810
probable that there is consciousness a

3339
02:49:31,819 --> 02:49:26,869
little tiny bit of it in everything so

3340
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:31,829
when you amass all of the atoms together

3341
02:49:38,779 --> 02:49:35,930
in our brains or in in animals or

3342
02:49:41,719 --> 02:49:38,789
elsewhere maybe even in plants but when

3343
02:49:44,479 --> 02:49:41,729
you assemble that much together the

3344
02:49:46,579 --> 02:49:44,489
consciousness accumulates and masses

3345
02:49:49,789 --> 02:49:46,589
together and then you have a big ball of

3346
02:49:54,340 --> 02:49:49,799
consciousness and and that is the result

3347
02:49:58,880 --> 02:49:54,350
of that it's just a matter of a physical

3348
02:50:02,559 --> 02:49:58,890
collection of mass together and then it

3349
02:50:06,609 --> 02:50:02,569
made me think now okay if I accept that

3350
02:50:09,409 --> 02:50:06,619
and it's possible if I accept that then

3351
02:50:10,670 --> 02:50:09,419
rocks and I bring up rocks all the time

3352
02:50:12,139 --> 02:50:10,680
what's the difference between a rock and

3353
02:50:14,630 --> 02:50:12,149
a cheeseburger what's the difference

3354
02:50:20,479 --> 02:50:14,640
between a rock and now it's not much but

3355
02:50:25,489 --> 02:50:20,489
if you look at the mass of rocks on

3356
02:50:30,019 --> 02:50:25,499
earth right our planet then and you

3357
02:50:33,969 --> 02:50:30,029
apply what he is suggesting then doesn't

3358
02:50:38,029 --> 02:50:33,979
our earth have a conscience is

3359
02:50:40,309 --> 02:50:38,039
consciousness collected right on this

3360
02:50:42,070 --> 02:50:40,319
planet where now we are dealing with a

3361
02:50:44,679 --> 02:50:42,080
living breathing thing

3362
02:50:49,809 --> 02:50:44,689
taking humans aside and dogs and cats

3363
02:50:52,540 --> 02:50:49,819
but all of the the rocks right and the

3364
02:50:56,639 --> 02:50:52,550
dirt and the things that make this

3365
02:51:00,730 --> 02:50:56,649
planet a sphere and glued together is

3366
02:51:04,030 --> 02:51:00,740
that a collective consciousness and I'm

3367
02:51:06,580 --> 02:51:04,040
saying if you take Brian Greene just at

3368
02:51:10,080 --> 02:51:06,590
face value with that statement then the

3369
02:51:13,510 --> 02:51:10,090
other would have to be true right

3370
02:51:16,360 --> 02:51:13,520
yeah we have something like a bias where

3371
02:51:17,980 --> 02:51:16,370
we can look at things below us and say

3372
02:51:19,960 --> 02:51:17,990
ah there's a collective consciousness

3373
02:51:20,440 --> 02:51:19,970
system here they're part of a greater

3374
02:51:22,660 --> 02:51:20,450
whole

3375
02:51:24,730 --> 02:51:22,670
but we can't look at things above us and

3376
02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:24,740
say that we're part of that too

3377
02:51:31,719 --> 02:51:27,770
it's kind of an uncomfortable thing for

3378
02:51:34,570 --> 02:51:31,729
examples you know our bodies are made up

3379
02:51:36,099 --> 02:51:34,580
of billions and billions of bacteria in

3380
02:51:37,929 --> 02:51:36,109
addition to independent cells so if you

3381
02:51:40,660 --> 02:51:37,939
were to interview one of those bacteria

3382
02:51:42,460 --> 02:51:40,670
and say you know do you think such a

3383
02:51:45,849 --> 02:51:42,470
thing as collective consciousness exists

3384
02:51:47,800 --> 02:51:45,859
is like well the bacteria were cells and

3385
02:51:52,110 --> 02:51:47,810
inside of our cells are these little

3386
02:51:56,139 --> 02:51:52,120
organelles and they behave together in a

3387
02:51:58,450 --> 02:51:56,149
distinct that like synchronized and

3388
02:51:59,920 --> 02:51:58,460
sympathetic way to the point where you

3389
02:52:03,790 --> 02:51:59,930
could say that maybe they are actually

3390
02:52:06,940 --> 02:52:03,800
part of a greater whole without ever

3391
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:06,950
realizing that that bacteria itself is

3392
02:52:12,940 --> 02:52:10,010
made up of some guy named Frank Porter

3393
02:52:14,889 --> 02:52:12,950
that's right same thing with a virus or

3394
02:52:15,540 --> 02:52:14,899
anything like that I would agree with

3395
02:52:19,410 --> 02:52:15,550
that

3396
02:52:23,860 --> 02:52:19,420
yep know what agree I would agree and

3397
02:52:28,559 --> 02:52:23,870
what when we at what point when we're

3398
02:52:32,200 --> 02:52:28,569
looking at the way that our body is

3399
02:52:34,270 --> 02:52:32,210
making at any moment right we're talking

3400
02:52:37,090 --> 02:52:34,280
about the present so right now in this

3401
02:52:40,410 --> 02:52:37,100
present present moment our body is

3402
02:52:44,980 --> 02:52:40,420
making trillions of chemical decisions

3403
02:52:49,660 --> 02:52:44,990
with precision right cells are dividing

3404
02:52:52,450 --> 02:52:49,670
in the right spot hair skin your organs

3405
02:52:54,230 --> 02:52:52,460
decisions are being made the chemical

3406
02:52:56,960 --> 02:52:54,240
transitions of

3407
02:52:59,000 --> 02:52:56,970
breathing in air and sugars being

3408
02:53:01,520 --> 02:52:59,010
created in our blood all of this is

3409
02:53:03,890 --> 02:53:01,530
happening with precision and you would

3410
02:53:06,920 --> 02:53:03,900
have to argue that down at the molecular

3411
02:53:10,700 --> 02:53:06,930
level down there were those divisions

3412
02:53:13,400 --> 02:53:10,710
and decisions and eating reproducing

3413
02:53:17,390 --> 02:53:13,410
everything that they are doing is that

3414
02:53:19,880 --> 02:53:17,400
consciousness and would you would you

3415
02:53:22,640 --> 02:53:19,890
get an answer if you could interview you

3416
02:53:25,219 --> 02:53:22,650
know and and they certainly react to

3417
02:53:28,450 --> 02:53:25,229
sound they react to

3418
02:53:32,480 --> 02:53:28,460
eeehm environments they react to light

3419
02:53:34,730 --> 02:53:32,490
so what is causing this and I it's a

3420
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:34,740
deep philosophical question but where

3421
02:53:38,420 --> 02:53:35,610
does it start

3422
02:53:45,020 --> 02:53:38,430
that we need to get to those answers man

3423
02:53:49,310 --> 02:53:45,030
we really do well we do my assumption is

3424
02:53:53,690 --> 02:53:49,320
or my perspective is that it's it's more

3425
02:53:55,190 --> 02:53:53,700
of a spectrum so the we say that

3426
02:53:58,910 --> 02:53:55,200
something is alive and something is not

3427
02:54:03,200 --> 02:53:58,920
well that might not really be the right

3428
02:54:05,320 --> 02:54:03,210
way to categorize things the the right

3429
02:54:09,650 --> 02:54:05,330
way to do it might be to what extent is

3430
02:54:13,430 --> 02:54:09,660
consciousness shining through this this

3431
02:54:16,790 --> 02:54:13,440
physical matter and that makes it more

3432
02:54:20,260 --> 02:54:16,800
of a spectrum rather than a binary

3433
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:20,270
condition how so

3434
02:54:27,230 --> 02:54:23,760
now you mentioned rocks mm-hmm so our

3435
02:54:29,900 --> 02:54:27,240
rock is conscious well actually many

3436
02:54:33,110 --> 02:54:29,910
people think that they are there's a guy

3437
02:54:37,160 --> 02:54:33,120
named Giulio Tononi and Christoph coke

3438
02:54:39,320 --> 02:54:37,170
or leading neuroscientists who have kind

3439
02:54:42,469 --> 02:54:39,330
of become convinced that consciousness

3440
02:54:45,250 --> 02:54:42,479
is everything that exists in the

3441
02:54:48,050 --> 02:54:45,260
universe and when we say matter well

3442
02:54:50,420 --> 02:54:48,060
what it isn't is it it's not dead matter

3443
02:54:53,270 --> 02:54:50,430
but it's like but it's not consciousness

3444
02:54:55,310 --> 02:54:53,280
either it's something in between it's

3445
02:54:57,980 --> 02:54:55,320
what they call proto consciousness or

3446
02:54:59,930 --> 02:54:57,990
pre consciousness so matter is kind of

3447
02:55:05,540 --> 02:54:59,940
like you know it's a rock for example is

3448
02:55:07,219 --> 02:55:05,550
like it's like a almost consciousness

3449
02:55:07,480 --> 02:55:07,229
it's the stuff of consciousness but it's

3450
02:55:10,841 --> 02:55:07,490
so

3451
02:55:14,051 --> 02:55:10,851
dents that we have no way of really

3452
02:55:15,461 --> 02:55:14,061
measuring whether or not it's alive it's

3453
02:55:17,530 --> 02:55:15,471
on if it is it's on some totally

3454
02:55:19,780 --> 02:55:17,540
different timescale than us mm-hmm but

3455
02:55:22,180 --> 02:55:19,790
sort of as you move up into systems of

3456
02:55:24,580 --> 02:55:22,190
greater complexity it is true for

3457
02:55:26,680 --> 02:55:24,590
example through cells and plants and

3458
02:55:29,740 --> 02:55:26,690
animals and seeds and so forth or entire

3459
02:55:32,261 --> 02:55:29,750
ecosystems it is true that you see more

3460
02:55:34,600 --> 02:55:32,271
consciousness sort of evidently shining

3461
02:55:38,970 --> 02:55:34,610
through so then maybe it's something

3462
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:38,980
about the complexity of self integration

3463
02:55:45,250 --> 02:55:43,610
of that of that nervous system a vessel

3464
02:55:47,591 --> 02:55:45,260
your arrangement that allows the

3465
02:55:50,490 --> 02:55:47,601
consciousness to shine through or maybe

3466
02:55:53,761 --> 02:55:50,500
it's actually upside down maybe it's an

3467
02:55:57,100 --> 02:55:53,771
individual consciousness being more

3468
02:56:01,030 --> 02:55:57,110
complex ends up expressing itself in the

3469
02:56:04,570 --> 02:56:01,040
three dimensions as a more physically

3470
02:56:08,100 --> 02:56:04,580
and biologically complex organism we

3471
02:56:12,850 --> 02:56:10,841
but I think the idea of very sympathetic

3472
02:56:15,730 --> 02:56:12,860
to the idea of consciousness being a

3473
02:56:19,060 --> 02:56:15,740
spectrum from very evidently conscious

3474
02:56:21,011 --> 02:56:19,070
things down to the evidently not

3475
02:56:24,070 --> 02:56:21,021
conscious things but things are sort of

3476
02:56:26,801 --> 02:56:24,080
proto conscious or building blocks of it

3477
02:56:29,591 --> 02:56:26,811
what a great conversation tonight Adam I

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02:56:32,530 --> 02:56:29,601
really appreciate it and before I let

3479
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you go I have been using is it okay can

3480
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:34,730
I mention some of your products is that

3481
02:56:45,160 --> 02:56:38,960
okay that wasn't the plan and I know I'm

3482
02:56:48,761 --> 02:56:45,170
catching you by surprise but I use some

3483
02:56:52,810 --> 02:56:48,771
of Adam's stuff which some of his sleep

3484
02:56:55,000 --> 02:56:52,820
products which are amazing and I double

3485
02:56:57,180 --> 02:56:55,010
dose on that by the way Adams what you

3486
02:57:00,881 --> 02:56:57,190
know I do two patches under each year

3487
02:57:03,490 --> 02:57:00,891
but where can everybody go at your pain

3488
02:57:06,240 --> 02:57:03,500
relief products and and your sleep

3489
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:06,250
products where can they go to find those

3490
02:57:13,680 --> 02:57:10,010
you can go to stamina Pro calm and what

3491
02:57:15,730 --> 02:57:13,690
that is is a an energy medicine product

3492
02:57:17,350 --> 02:57:15,740
it's not really an energies medicine

3493
02:57:18,780 --> 02:57:17,360
product but it's an energetic product

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02:57:22,380 --> 02:57:18,790
that delivers

3495
02:57:24,690 --> 02:57:22,390
pain relief in some cases or like sleep

3496
02:57:27,719 --> 02:57:24,700
aids in other cases it's non-chemical

3497
02:57:31,950 --> 02:57:27,729
totally drug-free it's a completely new

3498
02:57:34,440 --> 02:57:31,960
way of delivering benefits basically

3499
02:57:38,100 --> 02:57:34,450
it's a new kind of delivery technology

3500
02:57:39,420 --> 02:57:38,110
that's energetic give that website one

3501
02:57:44,460 --> 02:57:39,430
more time and then I'll get it up on

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02:57:48,510 --> 02:57:44,470
Twitter sure stamina pro comm sta mi na

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02:57:50,880 --> 02:57:48,520
PR ode comm I'll stand by it and I'm

3504
02:57:52,830 --> 02:57:50,890
just gonna let everybody know how long

3505
02:57:56,760 --> 02:57:52,840
have I have been probably been on the

3506
02:58:00,990 --> 02:57:56,770
program for not quite a year but Wow

3507
02:58:02,850 --> 02:58:01,000
just absolutely amazing stuff and I like

3508
02:58:04,830 --> 02:58:02,860
the future and I like the approach of

3509
02:58:06,929 --> 02:58:04,840
that of thinking outside of the box and

3510
02:58:09,210 --> 02:58:06,939
and your stuff is absolutely amazing

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02:58:10,380 --> 02:58:09,220
great conversation tonight my friend

3512
02:58:11,070 --> 02:58:10,390
when are you gonna be out in public

3513
02:58:13,980 --> 02:58:11,080
again

3514
02:58:16,080 --> 02:58:13,990
now that contact in the desert has been

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02:58:19,380 --> 02:58:16,090
cancelled do you have any other events

3516
02:58:21,420 --> 02:58:19,390
for this year every single one of my

3517
02:58:25,350 --> 02:58:21,430
speaking gigs was cancelled right here

3518
02:58:27,660 --> 02:58:25,360
so it's all looking to 2021 yeah what a

3519
02:58:28,230 --> 02:58:27,670
bummer right what a bummer yeah that was

3520
02:58:31,140 --> 02:58:28,240
a fun one

3521
02:58:32,880 --> 02:58:31,150
every summer I look forward to that all

3522
02:58:34,230 --> 02:58:32,890
right well I tell you what I'll see if I

3523
02:58:37,020 --> 02:58:34,240
can arrange a couple of things for you

3524
02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:37,030
then all of our stuff got moved to but

3525
02:58:41,070 --> 02:58:38,560
we've got a couple of events coming up

3526
02:58:42,990 --> 02:58:41,080
and I'll speak to you about that off of

3527
02:58:45,179 --> 02:58:43,000
the air other than that thank you so

3528
02:58:48,290 --> 02:58:45,189
much man and what a great conversation

3529
02:58:50,820 --> 02:58:48,300
tonight I'm watching Twitter here

3530
02:58:55,130 --> 02:58:50,830
listening to reading some of the

3531
02:58:57,750 --> 02:58:55,140
comments of my brain my brain my brain I

3532
02:59:00,390 --> 02:58:57,760
absolutely love it and that's that's

3533
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:00,400
what I want to do on this show is is

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02:59:05,040 --> 02:59:02,650
bring people knowledge let them go and

3535
02:59:07,170 --> 02:59:05,050
chase and research because they were

3536
02:59:08,880 --> 02:59:07,180
able to listen to a guest like yourself

3537
02:59:10,260 --> 02:59:08,890
tonight and you brought it man you

3538
02:59:12,690 --> 02:59:10,270
brought your a-game thank you so much

3539
02:59:13,710 --> 02:59:12,700
Adam enjoy the rest of your night that

3540
02:59:18,060 --> 02:59:13,720
was fun take care

3541
02:59:21,600 --> 02:59:18,070
Adam Curry and also in Tangled org is

3542
02:59:24,660 --> 02:59:21,610
right there at Jimmy Church radio.com we

3543
02:59:26,520 --> 02:59:24,670
went pulled a poll with Adam tonight so

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02:59:29,160 --> 02:59:26,530
I've got to go straight into reading

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02:59:50,559 --> 02:59:45,170
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02:59:52,450 --> 02:59:50,569
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02:59:54,610 --> 02:59:52,460
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02:59:56,710 --> 02:59:54,620
2025 paid the black in the game changer

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02:59:58,780 --> 02:59:56,720
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02:59:59,500 --> 02:59:58,790
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03:00:01,510 --> 02:59:59,510
the known universe

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without written permission from fade to

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black or the game changer network I'm

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03:00:07,960 --> 03:00:05,930
Yours junior Church tomorrow night fate

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03:00:09,730 --> 03:00:07,970
or night open lines all night long Monty

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03:00:11,620 --> 03:00:09,740
McMullin gonna be here and of course

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03:00:16,139 --> 03:00:11,630
we're gonna have a birthday party for

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03:00:19,170 --> 03:00:16,149
Kat Fleming until then everybody be safe

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go factly Tepe